Modern Classics

[Addison]

The crowd energy makes DLH/Vargas even better than it actually is.

It depends on how far you go inside that fight..

It was man to man - I'll tell you that.


You're on the surface if that's what you see..

It took something very special for Oscar to get that win.

Watch it again - see HOW much they truly ****ing hate each other.

It was thick in there.


It was a beautiful thing - Oscar just taking that fight.

It spawned the fearless Oscar we know today..

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[DarkSpyder]

It depends on how far you go inside that fight..

It was man to man - I'll tell you that.


You're on the surface if that's what you see..

It took something very special for Oscar to get that win.

Watch it again - see HOW much they truly ****ing hate each other.

It was thick in there.


It was a beautiful thing - Oscar just taking that fight.

It spawned the fearless Oscar we know today..

Spawned the 'fearless' Oscar?

Oscar's always been the same. I don't think this fight had any profound effect on his in-ring psyche. In terms of action, Trinidad-Vargas is way better.

You watched Trinidad-Hopkins 50 times? No offense mate, but you need to get out more.

[Addison]

Spawned the 'fearless' Oscar?

Oscar's always been the same. I don't think this fight had any profound effect on his in-ring psyche. In terms of action, Trinidad-Vargas is way better.

You watched Trinidad-Hopkins 50 times? No offense mate, but you need to get out more.

You trying to say the Vargas fight had no effect on DLH's physcology?

I'm not going to debate the complexities of fine detail and subtle nuance with a moron like yourself that makes sweeping generalizations, and presumes they know what they're talking about, or who they are talking to..

I've been through this **** 1000 times here..

I've talked about Vargas vs. Trinidad at GREAT length and acted as if Vargas vs. De La Hoya never even happened..

It is a fight I "rediscovered" the other night..

It is an underrated fight.


Tell me all about how wonderful the Trinidad fight was..

Great.. Thanks..

I already knew, ****ing moron.

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[DarkSpyder]

You trying to say the Vargas fight had no effect on DLH's physcology?

I'm not going to debate the complexities of fine detail and subtle nuance with a moron like yourself that makes sweeping generalizations, and presumes they know what they're talking about, or who they are talking to..

I've been through this **** 1000 times here..

I've talked about Vargas vs. Trinidad at GREAT length and acted as if Vargas vs. De La Hoya never even happened..

It is a fight I "rediscovered" the other night..

It is an underrated fight.


Tell me all about how wonderful the Trinidad fight was..

Great.. Thanks..

I already knew, ****ing moron.

Love the pseudo-intellectual babble there, I'm completely cyber-intimidated.

I just think you're overrating the De La Hoya-Vargas fight; it had an intense, Latin-rivalry kind of quality but any decent action was relatively sparse. After all, this thread is entitled modern classics, and I don't think it even approaches that label, although it was quite entertaining.

I was simply comparing it to a fight which is considered by many to epitomize the term, not so much telling you how ****ing good the fight was.

And yes, I am saying that about De La Hoya's psychology. I don't think the fight changed him that much.

[Addison]

Love the pseudo-intellectual babble there, I'm completely cyber-intimidated.

I just think you're overrating the De La Hoya-Vargas fight; it had an intense, Latin-rivalry kind of quality but any decent action was relatively sparse. After all, this thread is entitled modern classics, and I don't think it even approaches that label, although it was quite entertaining.

I was simply comparing it to a fight which is considered by many to epitomize the term, not so much telling you how ****ing good the fight was.

And yes, I am saying that about De La Hoya's psychology. I don't think the fight changed him that much.

Yeah.. I'm a fake intellectual.

That's me.


You are giving me your weak opinion.

That is all.


Here's a quote from a fellow member KBall:

"A classic is a fight people will be talking about for decades or more."

We will have to see if that is the case..

Apparently, it's holding true already.

Vargas vs. De La Hoya was a classic fight, mother****er.


You say there was "no effect on Oscar's physcology?.."

To begin with that is categorically impossible.

Secondly, Oscar has referred to the Vargas fight on multiple occasions as one of his proudest moments, and his best performances.


He was outgunned and outmanned by Shane Mosley in 2000.

After his fight with Vargas he came back anew, and triumphant - and took the fight to Shane Mosley winning clearly. (although he was robbed by the judges..)

Shortly thereafter he took on Bernard Hopkins which was a ballsy, gutsy move all in itself and fought agressively throughout.

And most recently he stayed in the pocket with Ricardo Mayorga and outslugged the slugger..


Crushing a big strong guy like Vargas, who was an obsessed, taunting stalker of Oscar for years - would do wonders for anyone's confidence.

Oscar had significant doubts and concerns about facing Fernando..

Even Jim Lampley refers to what a nightmarish prospect the situation must have been - mid-fight when Vargas was bullying Oscar around the ring..

In Oscar's words: "I beat the bully.."

What does that say to you about physcology?..


Fernando Vargas was to De La Hoya what Antonio Tarver was to RJJ.

You see what happened to Roy Jones in losing to Tarver..

Physcology anyone?.. Ahahahahahaaaa.

[Addison]

Here's another thing the Vargas fight, Mosley fights, and Hopkins fight did to affect Oscar's physcology:

No more Felix Sturms..

He will only fight big fights against dangerous guys who get him fired up for the challenge, now.

No more "tuneups."


If you cannot comprehend that Boxing is a sport built on lessons, making adjustments, and most of all - human physcology - then you need to go somewhere the **** else.. Period.

Oscar is a sponge.

You better BELIEVE that Vargas fight affected him more than any other.

Oscar himself has referred to the Vargas victory as his best achievement.. I'll drop potentially.

There is no doubt.

[DarkSpyder]

Weak opinion?

Oh look, you've posted almost 9,000 times in the last four months. Clearly, I am out of my depth here.

De La Hoya-Vargas was not a classic fight, far from it. Yes, everything surrounding the fight contributed to a decent spectacle with a dramatic ending, but that's it from the way I see it.

I'll give you that De La Hoya was more aggressive following the Vargas fight, but he had been pretty much like that from near the beginning of his career, with the exception of the Trinidad bout when he was implored to use his smart boxing and it clearly let him down. He felt more confident in himself, but I'd say it had little effect on his performances-taking the fight to a significantly smaller man in Mosley was bound to reap it's rewards (and he still lost, although I'll admit he should have gotten the victory), especially considering Oscar's boxing abilities. He lost the Hopkins fight by knockout, and he outskilled and outfought a very poor and probably shot Mayorga, who had less than a cat-in-hell's chance.

[DarkSpyder]

Here's another thing the Vargas fight, Mosley fights, and Hopkins fight did to affect Oscar's physcology:

No more Felix Sturms..

He will only fight big fights against dangerous guys who get him fired up for the challenge, now.

No more "tuneups."


If you cannot comprehend that Boxing is a sport built on lessons, making adjustments, and most of all - human physcology - then you need to go somewhere the **** else.. Period.

Oscar is a sponge.

You better BELIEVE that Vargas fight affected him more than any other.

Oscar himself has referred to the Vargas victory as his best achievement.. I'll drop potentially.

There is no doubt.

WTF? I just said I don't think the Vargas bout changed him that much as an athlete. Now I cannot comprehend that a fundamental element of the sport is psychology? Laughable.