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  • brently1979
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    #61
    Originally posted by Tio Chema
    This article says it all:


    Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr
    By Peter E. Porto March 5th, 2007 All Boxing Articles

    May 5, 2007 Junior Middleweight Bout

    What makes a great boxing match? What makes a match up for the ages? There are several ingredients that can go into the making of a memorable fight; personal grudges, a clash of styles, and furious action, just to name a few, but in my opinion, this coming battle between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr. has one of the best ingredients, a mismatch between reality and perception.

    Going into this fight, it is the perception of Floyd Mayweather Jr. that is dominating the debate. All eyes are on him. He is widely regarded as the best pound for pound fighter in the world and has met virtually every challenge in dominating fashion. His speed and defensive skills appear to be more than a match for any fighter out there and, certainly in the perception of many, more than a match for an aging Golden Boy. That is the perception, but that is not the reality.

    To begin, first consider the physical attributes of Mayweather. Here, the tell of the tape does not give the whole story. He is 5’ 8”, but he is a small 5’ 8”. He is a man with a slight build. While that build accommodates his impressive speed and defensive skills, it is not well suited for packing on the pounds for a trip up the weight classes. If you remember, it wasn’t too long ago that a seemingly frail Mayweather was making almost as many headlines for routinely breaking his hands as he was his superior skill and dominating style.

    While he met the challenges of some decent fighters in the lightweight ranks, there were times in some of those fights, such as against Jesus Chavez and Jose Luis Castillo, in which their power clearly made him uncomfortable. And remember, these were lightweights. The truth is, this is not a fighter well disposed to the greater physical demands and punishment that must be endured in the higher weight classes. Additionally, since his trials at lightweight he is still largely untested.

    He has moved up in weight with just three fights in each of the 140 and 147 pound divisions against, to be honest, less than spectacular competition. Now he is moving up again, this time to the untested 154 pound weight class, and while size and strength are not everything, we must remember that this isn’t just any other opponent he will be facing.

    Many have made the comparison to Shane Mosley, using his fights with De La Hoya as a blue print for this one, but that is not an accurate comparison. Most obviously, Mosley is a bigger man than Mayweather. His bigger frame made the move up in weight much more natural. Additionally, Mosley gave De La Hoya problems for two primary reasons, his reach and his strength. Mosley’s reach was something De La Hoya had to continuously adjust to, and in my opinion, the biggest reason why Oscar ultimately lost both fights.

    Since their speed was fairly even, when both fighters were “getting off” at the same time it was Mosley’s reach that enabled him to get the best of it more times than not. That, combined with his strength, is what kept De La Hoya at bay, keeping him from going on the offensive in a more aggressive way. It was the combination of these two traits which were the biggest deciding factors in their fights.

    Mayweather, however, possesses neither of those attributes. In this fight, De La Hoya is the bigger man, the stronger man and the physically superior man. There will be no reach or strength advantage for Mayweather to utilize. The importance of this cannot be overstated. De La Hoya is at his best when he has little concern regarding the physical presence of his opponent.

    Let’s take a moment to mention the fighters who have given Oscar his greatest problems. Mosley, Trinidad, Sturm, Hopkins. All of these fighters exhibited some sort of physical advantage over Oscar. Even against a fighter such as Ike Quartey, remember how the fight changed once De La Hoya felt his power and tasted the canvas? Arguably, Oscar was controlling the fight to that point and even knocked Quartey down earlier in that very same round, but once he was suddenly made aware of Quartey’s physical presence, De La Hoya became a different fighter.

    The simple truth is that throughout his career, De La Hoya has always been most comfortable when he was able to look down on his opponents, impose himself and, in the end, physically dominate them. In that way, this fight seems perfect for him. De La Hoya is the physically bigger man. He will be able to look down on Mayweather, and using his superior strength, reach and physical presence, will be able to move and control him as needed. If this is indeed the case, Mayweather’s speed and defensive skills will be substantially neutralized and De La Hoya’s power will become the supreme deciding factor in the fight. Power, incidentally, of the like Mayweather has never before experienced. When he finally does, I believe, he will be completely shocked and unprepared for it.

    Another key factor being overlooked by many is the fighters’ overall level of competition. To his credit, every time Mayweather has faced a new challenge he has stepped up in impressive fashion. Many thought that Diego Corrales and Arturo Gatti could create problems for him, but in each case he met the challenges that were presented and never looked better. The problem with this, however, is that neither of these fighters is anywhere near the level of an Oscar De La Hoya.

    Additionally, while two close wins by decision against Jose Luis Castillo are impressive (arguably his best quality opponent), it hardly begins to provide a foundation for the argument that it prepared him for the likes of Oscar. On the other hand, De La Hoya has been battle hardened with one mega fight after another. Given his experience, to believe that Mayweather’s speed and boxing skill will somehow surprise or overwhelm Oscar seems, to say the least, farfetched.

    There are also some assumptions regarding Mayweather that remain in doubt. A man of Mayweather’s height and build fighting 19 pounds above his optimum weight creates many questions. Clearly, Mayweather will need to bring all of his speed and slick moves with him into this fight, but since this is his first time at 154 pounds, we just don’t know if that’s a realistic expectation. However, while there are some unknown elements as to what Mayweather will bring, we always know what to expect from De La Hoya.

    Win or lose, he never shows up with less than his best. He will be in shape and armed with a plan for victory. Furthermore, while De La Hoya also had, in my opinion, some initial difficulty adjusting to the higher weight classes, there is little doubt that he is now a proven, legitimate 154 pound fighter, and a strong one at that.

    If not seen at one of the press conferences or the weigh in, the physical disparity between these two fighters may not be noticed by many until the time of the fight. I do believe, however, that when they are viewed side by side it will be obvious. Additionally, as if De La Hoya needed more of an advantage, it is important to note that factors such as preferred gloves, a smaller ring size and weight restrictions were all conceded by Mayweather in the negotiations for the fight.

    While it is certainly not inconceivable that Mayweather could win a decision over De La Hoya, in order to do so he will need to walk a fine tightrope indeed. He will need to stay away from De La Hoya’s power, while still engaging him enough to remain effective and win the necessary rounds. If Mayweather can strike such a balance he will have a chance, but it does not seem a likely scenario.

    In the end all I can say is, be ready for this one. If you want to be able to say that you were there when the seemingly unbeatable Floyd Mayweather Jr. was shocked by the aging Golden Boy, now is your time to get ready. While surprising for many to hear, the simple truth is that this might be the perfect match up for Oscar. After years away he will finally be able to return to his favorite pastime, dominating lightweights. Not only should Oscar win this fight, but he should win it easily.
    Great Article. But if Oscar runs out of Gas, Floyd will come on.

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    • freedom213
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      #62
      Originally posted by Addison
      I'm trying to understand how anybody thinks the weight, gloves, and size of the ring will be a non-factors..
      first off, ring size will only have an impact if PBF has been "lying" and decides not to fight, choosing to run. Also, the fighters/champions/bigger names have been dictating these type of factors for years. Look at the ring SRL chose to fight Duran in when he decided to play track star, it was the biggest damn ring I have ever seen!

      the gloves, everyone keeps saying the reyes gloves were chosen with regards to Floyds brittle hands. Does anyone have statistical facts to back up the presumption that boxers are more likely to break their hands in Reyes as opposed to other brands? I would be very interested in this.

      the weight, Floyd wanted to step up and IDK if Oscar could make 147

      in the end all of this dont mean **** when compared to each fighters preperation and execution in the ring, end of story!

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        #63
        Originally posted by freedom213
        first off, ring size will only have an impact if PBF has been "lying" and decides not to fight, choosing to run. Also, the fighters/champions/bigger names have been dictating these type of factors for years. Look at the ring SRL chose to fight Duran in when he decided to play track star, it was the biggest damn ring I have ever seen!

        the gloves, everyone keeps saying the reyes gloves were chosen with regards to Floyds brittle hands. Does anyone have statistical facts to back up the presumption that boxers are more likely to break their hands in Reyes as opposed to other brands? I would be very interested in this.

        the weight, Floyd wanted to step up and IDK if Oscar could make 147

        in the end all of this dont mean **** when compared to each fighters preperation and execution in the ring, end of story!
        Nice.

        But completely discounting any factorage is a bad equation.

        Some of this stuff is math and science.


        Reyes are discenerably different from Winning.

        Gloves are a significant aspect of a fight.


        However, Floyd has a built in excuse if he needs to run.

        I just hope he doesn't attack Larry Merchant if he's asked why the fans are booing, again..

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          #64
          well i guess DLH will not have any excuses if he loses. he made all the stipulations and PBF agreed to them. DLH is bigger, stronger, faced better comp---and he still felt lik he nned to put all of the intangible advantages in his favor??? looks like someone who doesnt really think he could pull off a win with just pure skills. he is depending on something flukish(if thats a word) to happen in order for him to win

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            #65
            Originally posted by kericuss
            well i guess DLH will not have any excuses if he loses. he made all the stipulations and PBF agreed to them. DLH is bigger, stronger, faced better comp---and he still felt lik he nned to put all of the intangible advantages in his favor??? looks like someone who doesnt really think he could pull off a win with just pure skills. he is depending on something flukish(if thats a word) to happen in order for him to win
            I'm compelled to agree.

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              #66
              Originally posted by EliteSoldier
              Do you have any excuses on May 5th for getting your ass kicked floyd? *****
              seeing as how floyd will not be getting his ass kicked, your question is irrelevant at this point and time. and, floyd has no exuses, he doesn't care about the gloves or ring size, weight, location, or whatever. he has claimed this. as long as oscar signed the contract floyd's happy because he's got oscar right where he wants him, in a ring, face to face. oscar's the one who isn't sure of himself with all of the stipualtions he's pulling. why don't you slag him for his nonsense? i know why, because you feel just like he does, unconfident about him fighting floyd, and you have every right to feel this way, because oscar is getting ready to ride off a cliff when he meets floyd mayweather come may 5th, i guarantee you little boy.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Addison
                Nice.

                But completely discounting any factorage is a bad equation.

                Some of this stuff is math and science.


                Reyes are discenerably different from Winning.

                Gloves are a significant aspect of a fight.


                However, Floyd has a built in excuse if he needs to run.

                I just hope he doesn't attack Larry Merchant if he's asked why the fans are booing, again..
                Would it be safe to say that Reyes gloves have caused more hand injury's than any other gloves in recent memory?..

                Most recently, and most notably - Clottey hurt his hands against Margarito wearing Reyes..

                Many feel he would have won the fight had the injury not occured.

                To discount the potential liabilty of Floyd Mayweather wearing Reyes at the heaviest weight he has ever fought, against a guy who absolutely absorbs punches (DLH) - would be a ridiculous oversight.

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                • freedom213
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Addison
                  Would it be safe to say that Reyes gloves have caused more hand injury's than any other gloves in recent memory?..

                  Most recently, and most notably - Clottey hurt his hands against Margarito wearing Reyes..

                  Many feel he would have won the fight had the injury not occured.

                  To discount the potential liabilty of Floyd Mayweather wearing Reyes at the heaviest weight he has ever fought, against a guy who absolutely absorbs punches (DLH) - would be a ridiculous oversight.
                  any other examples of Reyes being a hand breaker? I thought I read some where that Clottey's hand was already injured?

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by freedom213
                    any other examples of Reyes being a hand breaker? I thought I read some where that Clottey's hand was already injured?
                    I'm sure there are countless examples..

                    Regarding Mayweather I found an online article titled:


                    "Pretty Boy Floyd -Will Mayweather's hands last as long as his Heart?"

                    The article is from 06' - from a competitor website I choose not to name..


                    The guy shouldn't be wearing "punchers gloves."

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                    • K-Nan
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
                      If it is smaller than 18, then that is very significant. If it is between 18-20, I don't see Floyd having a problem...it could make the difference in the fight, but if Floyd DOES get KOd, how do you really know if it would not have happened if the ring was bigger?

                      Either way, it's a difficult question.

                      I just hope for a good fight.
                      This is true, Supe. Here we sit, contemplating every aspect of the game, trying to break down every factor. All these words, these theories, and these arguments will culminate into all of us sitting glued to that screen on May 5th, and these arguments will be summarized, proved and disproved in what could be minutes.

                      This is why I love boxing.

                      Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
                      You must be some kinda ass-kicker to fight in an 18 inch ring.

                      Hot damn.





                      ; )
                      Nah, I've never been in the 18" ring, myself.

                      Though it all cancels out anyway. I bring an extra 9 inches into every ring.

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