Who actually has a good chance of beating Wlad?

[Kball15]

No, he does not. He was good against guys who were ****, his abilities were virtually nullified agaisnt Wlad.

he had NO boxing ability against WLAD.

He has improved an INCREDIBLE amount.

How can anybody who knows boxing fail to see this?

He was throwing combinations, he was setting up his power shots better, he was beating toney to the punch when toney was against the ropes.

Wlad would have been finished in round 1 if he fought peter that night

[BrooklynBomber]

he had NO boxing ability against WLAD.

He has improved an INCREDIBLE amount.

How can anybody who knows boxing fail to see this?

He was throwing combinations, he was setting up his power shots better, he was beating toney to the punch when toney was against the ropes.

Wlad would have been finished in round 1 if he fought peter that night

Read my later comment, and watch pre Wlad Peter, for ****'s sake.

[Run]

This may be your man, if you're looking for a Wlad slayer.

We'll see how he does this year.

He's way too small, Chief.



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[Banderivets]

Read my later comment, and watch pre Wlad Peter, for ****'s sake.

What he said.

Peter didnt change ****all.

Its just that Wlad didnt let him do jack ****.

He looked good against a fat **** Toney whose 5 feet tall and had **** all to offer with his fists or his head.

[werewolf]

Originally Posted by werewolf


...Briggs probably wouldn't last as long as Austin. Lyakhovich only managed to lose his won fight by ignoring his corner and standing right in front of him with his jaw sticking out asking to be knocked down. (What was wrong with Ly. that night anyway?)






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Lyakhovich was out of shape and he was still ahead on points heading into the 12th.

I believe if Sanders even at his current age comes into a fight against Peter in tip top shape, Sanders would knock Peter out relatively easy. Peter's wide, clubbing, swings would do Peter in very early. Sanders is a lightning quick straight puncher and by the time Peter's clubbing swings reach their target, Sanders would land two straight shots to Peter's chin and Peter would crumble.

Why was Ly. out of shape? Why did he appear to almost deliberately get himself KO'd? I heard something about him being sick or injured that night, but no follow up. He didn't look anything like himself that night.

You can never be too su****ious in a so-called sport as crooked and gangster-ridden as boxing!

I don't know how easily CS would handle Peter, but he could have beaten the best of them in his prime, and maybe he still can. There are some nice Corrie Sanders KO's on Youtube.




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[The Lodger]

Well I'm not sure wheather there's too many heavyweights out there who would have a good chance, but certainly I think there's people with a legitimate chance. Anyone who has punch resistance problems like Klitschko is going to have problems at some point, regardless of their ability. Briggs and Maskaev are punchers, and because of that, they have to be taken seriously, I think Briggs poses more threat out of the two. I think Valuev because of his sheer physical presence, will be a handful for anyone, but he just isn't that good at anything it seems. I think Klitschko would outbox him to a UD.

Samuel Peter isn't someone who I think will change the division, but he did have some success in his fight with Klitschko and if he improves he may well have a chance if a second fight comes around.

Chagaev isn't someone I've seen in all honesty, but he did beat Ruiz, which a lot of decent fighters have found difficult, but at a listing of around 6'1'', I doubt he would really have the range, unless he has an exceptional jab.

Tony Thompson is a guy who's won a few decent fights, but he's another guy I've seen little of. He seems to be a spolier type, he certainly has some range, but with no real indication that there's a huge amount of power there; maybe he's just another Ray Austin, who knows.

David Tua looks a shadow of his former self, Lamon Brewster looks as though his days are numbered, Audley Harrison didn't even get to European level, never mind world level; Roman Greenberg looks reasonable, but nothing special and the rest are either has-beens or guys who are unproven as of yet.
The Cuban fellow Gomez is someone with talent, but as yet he is in no position to really challenge. All in all Klitschko is beatable, but the division is full of mediocrity.

[Dorian]

the only one that could take him is Vitali but it will never happen cuz their brothers but Samuel Peter is the only guy with a shot of beating him right now

[werewolf]

"All in all Klitschko is beatable, but the division is full of mediocrity."


They keep repeating that mediocrity mantra in the US media for obvious reasons. It is not true. Wlad is just so good that he makes the others look bad by comparison.

The fact that Chagaev and Sultan are considered too small at 220-230 pounds shows just how much boxing needs additional heavy weight classes, at least a super-heavyweight class. The fact is that there is now no place at all in boxing for a guy who weighs say 200-210 unless he is willing to go up against men who are much larger.




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[Kid Achilles]

I wouldn't consider either Chagaev or Sultan too small. They do just fine at their size. The big guys, aside from Wlad, have all shown themselves to be vulnerable to and competitive with smaller men. Even Lennox Lewis, one of the best big men ever, had trouble convincingly handling former cruiserweight Evander Holyfield.

Size isn't the issue in this division. It's consistency. No one fighter can ring up a string of wins in a row and look good in each fight. He either losses or looks like **** somewhere down the line. These guys just can't stay focused, they have trouble just winning three fights in a row, let alone looking good in all of them. Wlad is the closest to getting there as an established name, let's hope guys like Peter and Ibragimov can follow and continue to build impressive records of their own.

[Guest]

****in a, put vitaly on a disabled list for 2 years

Too right brother, he's still recovering from it.