Carl Froch Targets Bout With Joe Calzaghe

[.Mik.]

You're right we won't like it. But it only shows exactly how biased some of YOU (the ones who'd write or agree with such BS) are. Just list the no of top 10 opponents the two of them have fought respectively (use independent rankings rather than your own missconceptions). Look at what the two have actually accomplished so far.

If you still come out thinking Froch has done about as much as Kessler at this stage, you can just as well forget about ever making a logical conclusion for the remainder of your life - it would just be beyond your abilities.

You need to calm down with your assumptions.

We werent saying that Froch has accomplished as much as Kessler. What we are saying is that at the moment, they are both sitting in the same situation. That situation being that they havent proven themselves to be a genuinely worthy contender to Calzaghe, yet both want to be in his position. If you are the 2nd guy or the 3rd or 4th or 5th guy in the division and you dont really offer enough money or a serious risk to the top guy, you have to prove yourself by beating the other guys around you. In the SMW division, Lacy, Kessler, Bute and Froch (perhaps among others) all represent people who feesibly COULD threaten Calzaghe's dominance of the division (Lacy was top of the ladder...look what happened to him). But realistically nobody knows who is the top out of those. So they need to fight each other, then Calzaghe should fight the best of them. Thats what they need to do to offer Calzaghe a worthwhile contract.

Otherwise, Calzaghe faces Kessler and beats him and Bute says "Actually, I would've beaten Kessler, you should've fought me". So he fights Bute and beats him and Froch says "Well, I would've beaten Bute in quicker time", so he fights Froch and beats him and Lacy says "You should've given me a rematch instead of fighting some untested guy like Froch" and Calzaghe finds that he is on a merry-go round of fighting a load of contenders who never fought the other contenders to distinguish themselves from the crowd.

At the moment, Kessler is the top of the pile of contenders to Calzaghe's throne. But he is not a worthy match for Calzaghe because A) He doesnt represent as much money as 4 or 5 other fights out there. B) He isnt a big network draw so isnt going to improve Calzaghe's name or standing too much where it counts. C). He isnt the undisputed top contender. He needs to fight the other top contenders to be so. D). If Calzaghe fights him and beats him comfortably, everyone will say that he is just another one of the Euro-champs that Calzaghe has been eating on all his career. So he doesnt improve Calzaghe's legacy any.

This is all pretty basic and easy to understand, right? Instead of calling out the top guy, they should be fighting among each other to see who deserves the right to fight the top guy.

[SHB]

You've got more patience than me in trying to explain this in language even they understand. I salute you.

[!!! Beowulf !!!]

I think Kessler has done enough to make Calzaghe take notice. However if Froch and Bute fight the winner would essentially leapfrog Kessler in my estimation (Andrade isn't in the same class as Bute and Froch).

Kessler deserves his shot though. If Joe can't secure a fight with Taylor or Hopkins then a fight with Kessler makes perfect sense. I haven't seen anything to convince me that kessler would beat Calzaghe though.

[.Mik.]

I think Kessler has done enough to make Calzaghe take notice. However if Froch and Bute fight the winner would essentially leapfrog Kessler in my estimation (Andrade isn't in the same class as Bute and Froch).

Kessler deserves his shot though. If Joe can't secure a fight with Taylor or Hopkins then a fight with Kessler makes perfect sense. I haven't seen anything to convince me that kessler would beat Calzaghe though.

I think that he's the closest. But I think that he needs to prove that he's the best of the rest so to speak as there is still a certain amount of dispute about that. If Bute and Froch fight and then the winner fights Kessler, that should solve the problem and they can go to Calzaghe with a genuine and proven contender.

[OptimusWolf]

I diagree with Miksterious and SHB - Kessler does deserve the fight - he's a unified champion FFS.

Froch needs to beat someone first. There are two new "belt-holders" he can go after. he's funny as **** though, gotta find him entertaining.

[dumdane]

We werent saying that Froch has accomplished as much as Kessler. What we are saying is that at the moment, they are both sitting in the same situation.

Their situation is only similar in the sence that Calzaghe won't fight either. Their resume's and accomplishments are from any objective standpoint miles apart (as are IMO their skills).

That situation being that they havent proven themselves to be a genuinely worthy contender to Calzaghe

If Kessler by becomming unified champ hasn't proven himself worthy. Then WTF has Calzaghe ever done to be put in this elevated position?
Joe has essentially accomplished in ten years what Kessler has done in two. There are only two names on Calzaghe resume over these 10 years that you can even begin to argue are better than the best on Kessler's (Eubank, Lacy). Kessler's average opposition since becomming a champ is way better than Calzaghe's ditto (and they became champs at the same age).
Basicly, if Kessler hasn't accomplished enough to "deserve" a fight, then noone at SMW has or will in Calzaghe's time. But of course that is exactly the conclussion you'd prefer to reach - So Joe just can't be blamed due to the lack of worthy opposition. But those standarts basicly excludes Joe himself from being "worthy".

(Lacy was top of the ladder...look what happened to him)

Only on boxrec. Ring Had Kessler ahead of Lacy all the way. The rest was pure hype.

But realistically nobody knows who is the top out of those.

if that includes Calzaghe, then fair enough.

Otherwise, Calzaghe faces Kessler and beats him and Bute says "Actually, I would've beaten Kessler, you should've fought me"......

That is ALWAY the case for EVERYONE. Same goes if Kessler beats these ppl - or beats Calzaghe for that matter. There'll be a ton of excuses. Just the way it is.

At the moment, Kessler is the top of the pile of contenders to Calzaghe's throne. But he is not a worthy match for Calzaghe because A) He doesnt represent as much money as 4 or 5 other fights out there. B) He isnt a big network draw so isnt going to improve Calzaghe's name or standing too much where it counts. C). He isnt the undisputed top contender. He needs to fight the other top contenders to be so. D). If Calzaghe fights him and beats him comfortably, everyone will say that he is just another one of the Euro-champs that Calzaghe has been eating on all his career. So he doesnt improve Calzaghe's legacy any.

Here argument A is the basic factor that you are to a Large extend right about. Joe WON'T run that kind of risk unless he's very well rewarded. And he knows Kessler is a huge risk.
As for B - you may be right it wouldn't improve Calzaghe legacy a lot. But NOT fighting Kessler is CERTAINLY hurting his legacy A LOT.

C is just plain ridiculous. No Kessler is not "undisputed contender" any more than Calzaghe is "undisputed no. 1". As long as there are credible opponents no-one is undisputed. And credible opposition for both Calzaghe and Kessler is Pressent (Froch is just not the most credible for either)

This is all pretty basic and easy to understand, right? Instead of calling out the top guy, they should be fighting among each other to see who deserves the right to fight the top guy.

Yeah yeah i get it. "Please keep fighting among yourselves untill his gloryness lord Calzaghe has left the scene. The most elevated Calzaghe should not be troubled by such menial tasks as proving himself".
What a load of bull!

[Easy-E]

Its 'Froch', the name is in the thread title.

Kessler has almost as much to prove as Froch in order to get a fight with Calzaghe. Realistically they should both be facing one another before looking to fight Joe.

Both Kessler and Froch are more deserving of a fight with Joe that Sakio Bika or Peter Manfredo.