Max Kellerman: "7 out of 10 heavyweights are juicing"

[Rockin']

Old school is about hard work and hard roads to the top.

Todays atheletes want the easiest and quickest way to the top. Cheating will not stand in their way it seems.

Old school 2 - New school 0.................Rockin'

[Benny Leonard]

Boxers back then didn't even use weights, let alone anabolic steroids used on horses. The steroid problem is a contemporary one I think. Guys like Ali, Marciano, Louis, etc. are safe. It's Tyson and on that have the question mark over them.

Sorry, and nice try, but we can safely say the old timers were all roid free.

Old timers: 1 modern fighters: 0

Why Tyson, but not before?

Bodybuilders were using them by the 40's. Amphetamines were used by the 40's by athletes.

Tyson reminds me of Sam McVey.

I thought Cus was "old school"?
If Tyson was on them, Cus, Jacobs, Cayton, Rooney, and the rest would know, and be just as guilty for giving a young kid steroids.

Same height, weight, at the same age

[eazy_mas]

I think he is talking out of his ass and jsut looking for a cheap publicity in the community. Dont forget the **** is still not established in boxing world. So he is trying. ANyways, I would not take the guy who says that Jones Jr would beat Frazier seriously....Max can **** off.

we but he does get paid for it

If a guy/girl hasn't failed a drug test then no man should question his/her physical condition...

that is true but what if boxing commision is so corupted and sometimes the steroid test is not regularly done

Think about it this way. Just because someone uses performance enhancers, doesn't mean that the juice itself is throwing the punch. Perhaps the advances in science and performance enhancers has caused fighters to lose priority of the most important factor, solid technical skill.

I know from intimate sources that several top fighters have used steroids in the past or currently. Kellerman is not completely off and you'd be shocked to know how many fighters are juicing. Poppy seed bagels are not the catalyst for the increased numbers of fighters testing positive for steroids, contrary to whatever you might believe.

it something normal in not only boxing but all pro sport i belive. if its not steriod probably drugs those guy where very poor and uneducated and many people try to take advantage of them in any way. giving some guy steriod does mean he took it himself sometimes some people are trying to frame him and sometime his coach puts it without he knowing about it.

another thing about steroid when there is alot of money invovle and alot of pressure from the fighters to preform most probably the have a greater incietive to use it. e****ally if his career is on the line and really despressed

well.

It's rumored Hasim Rahman benches around 600 pounds, I'd say he's juicing to accomplish that, even though he doesn't look like he's juicing. let's take a look at the top 20 fighters right now in the heavyweight division.

ratings courtesy of boxrec. although they're known for a ****ed up top 20, this one is believeable, and anyway the point of this isnt a totally accurate list, just 25 guys at or near the top and my assumption of whether or not they juiced.

1 Wladimir Klitschko 30 1,055 1996 47-3-0 juiced

2 Samuel Peter 26 944 2001 28-1-0 juiced

3 Oleg Maskaev 38 830 1993 34-5-0 juiced

4 Nikolay Valuev 33 825 1993 46-0-0 non juicer

5 Lamon Brewster 33 558 1996 33-3-0 juiced

6 Ruslan Chagaev 28 544 1997 22-0-1 non juicer

7 John Ruiz 35 543 1992 41-7-1 non juicer

8 Shannon Briggs 35 528 1992 48-4-1 juicer

9 Matt Skelton 40 510 2002 20-1-0 non juicer

10 Tony Thompson 35 507 2000 29-1-0 non juicer

11 Vladimir Virchis 33 482 1999 22-1-0 non juicer

12 Chris Byrd 36 481 1993 39-3-1 non juicer

13 Hasim Rahman 34 473 1994 41-6-2 juicer

14 James Toney 38 429 1988 69-6-3 juicer

15 Sultan Ibragimov 31 425 2002 19-0-1 non juicer

16 Calvin Brock 32 424 2001 29-1-0 non juicer

17 Tye Fields 32 414 1999 38-1-0 hardcore juicer

18 Eddie Chambers 24 390 2000 28-0-0 non juicer

19 Danny Williams 33 368 1995 37-6-0 juicer

20 Chris Arreola 26 367 2003 19-0-0 non juicer



total: 9 J/11 NJ

innconnet til proven guiltiy

[Kid Achilles]

Why Tyson, but not before?

Bodybuilders were using them by the 40's. Aphetamines were used by the 40's by athletes.

Tyson reminds me of Sam McVey.

Until very recently, boxers have always been incredible archaic in their training. Very pure, and against sex while training, weight training, anything new and untested. Steroids were very new at the time so why the hell would a trainer allow their fighter to take them and yet make a fuss over weight lifting exercises that had been around for a long, long time and had been adopted by athletes in other sports? It doesn't add up to me.

Make no mistake, this steroid thing will forever be a blemish against the contemporary heavyweight, as in baseball!

The old timers can't lose, they are saints.

Bwahahahahaha!!

[Kid Achilles]

Tyson would look like a stick compared to McVey if not for all the roids inflating him!

Seriously though, McVey was a beastly built guy and a hell of a puncher. I've read that his punch was recorded at 1,300 PSI in those days, significantly better than what Fitzsimmons and Jeffries scored (1,050 and 1,100 respectively) on the same machine.

[Benny Leonard]

Tyson would look like a stick compared to McVey if not for all the roids inflating him!

Seriously though, McVey was a beastly built guy and a hell of a puncher. I've read that his punch was recorded at 1,300 PSI in those days, significantly better than what Fitzsimmons and Jeffries scored (1,050 and 1,100 respectively) on the same machine.

So when did Tyson start using steroids in your opinon?

And according to an arcticle I have somewhere, Tyson didn't lift that much at all in his prime because he was following Cus's routine.

It makes sense for Tyson to be on them, but not McVey???

Not even sure you are being serious...

Oh, one more note, McVey died in New York I think so he could of planted his seed in City, creating Tyson's family gene line.

[Benny Leonard]

Until very recently, boxers have always been incredible archaic in their training. Very pure, and against sex while training, weight training, anything new and untested. Steroids were very new at the time so why the hell would a trainer allow their fighter to take them and yet make a fuss over weight lifting exercises that had been around for a long, long time and had been adopted by athletes in other sports? It doesn't add up to me.

Make no mistake, this steroid thing will forever be a blemish against the contemporary heavyweight, as in baseball!

The old timers can't lose, they are saints.

Bwahahahahaha!!

No matter what you may think, people "back in the day" new the benefits of steroids. This is why bodybuilders used them back then. This is why Doctors prescribed them for humans.

For the "old timers" being saints, LOL, yeah, this was part of my point. This is why I pointed out steroids were around and used since the 30's, but you rarely hear about them from reporters, why? because it would make suspect anybody from that point on, their heroes.

[Kid Achilles]

McVey being Tyson's ancestor is completely conceivable to me. Imagine if it were proven!

As for Tyson on roids, well, they were around and very effective by that time and the guy had an insanely developed all around build. I don't really think Tyson roided, it was more of a 90's thing. Holyfield,Morrison, Ruddock, Ike, and so on with Golota being on the TOP of the list.

I'm su****ious of Mike to be honest, but he's been going for so long that if he were truly roiding for all that time he'd be physically ****ed up by now.

I do think he roided post prison in the 90's. He went from looking smaller than usual in prison to bigger than ever in a short period of time when he got out.

In the 80's he was prob. roid free.

[Benny Leonard]

Kid Achilles;2200600]McVey being Tyson's ancestor is completely conceivable to me. Imagine if it were proven!

LOL, I just threw that out there because I thought it was interesting when I heard it. McVey also died young, something many thought Tyson was on his way to. Will not say he still is on that road since I wish him the best.

As for Tyson on roids, well, they were around and very effective by that time and the guy had an insanely developed all around build. I don't really think Tyson roided, it was more of a 90's thing. Holyfield,Morrison, Ruddock, Ike, and so on with Golota being on the TOP of the list.

I'm su****ious of Mike to be honest, but he's been going for so long that if he were truly roiding for all that time he'd be physically ****ed up by now.


In the 80's he was prob. roid free

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It's crossed my mind as a possibility, but only because I was trying to have an open mind.
Could he have been? yes, but at what point? I was watching a video highlight that had pictures of him with Cus, so if he was on them, he would have been given to him with Cus knowing about them. But, going by your point with "old school", Cus trained Tyson similar to Patterson, so why would he give Tyson roids, if Tyson wasn't really lifting?
Anything is possible though.

Tyson really isn't as great physically looking compared to many other top athletes (say in the NFL), when you really look at him in his prime. At least not what people make him out to be.

I do think he roided post prison in the 90's. He went from looking smaller than usual in prison to bigger than ever in a short period of time when he got out.

That could be possible, anything is possible.

We have to consider this however:
He was in the low 200's supposedly the first time he came out of prison. Why so low? I heard he stuck to a specific diet that was "clean", instead of the **** they fed you in prison. Low calories = muscle loss. I am also not sure how much he was allowed to train since I read opposite statements on this. One said he was't allowed to do anything, another said he was allowed to run.

By the time Tyson came out of prison, he wouldn't have had to do that much training to spike his body back to "normal."
First, he was moving past his mid-20's, which is a time when your strength levels are spiking. Second, Muscle Memory. Your brain/body remembers, and as soon as you start feeding, your body whips itself back to where it needs to be for "survival."
Third: Tyson's hormone levels are most likely way above the "normal" levels of the "average" human. I will take a guess, based on his behavior, bone structure, and other behavior, that he is in the upper branch.

It's not hard to put on muscle that you lost. I have experience with this.

Post prison, he also hired a "nutritionist", not sure when, but know he was working with someone (according to an article) for the Black Rhino guy fight.
"Nutritionists" can work wonders for you, but they are also "suspect"

[Benny Leonard]

Anybody know how old Tyson was in the first picture with Cus?
I heard this was not long after he got started, but not sure.