Could Berto Beat Urkal More Impressively Than Cotto?

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  • machotime
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    #21
    To say that Cotto looked unimpressive or that he lost the last 3 rounds is completely ignorant. I watched the fight twice, and the first time it was sour because of the constant headbutts and the dumb ending. If the corner would not have thrown in the towel, the fight would not have been tarnished.

    Cotto fought impressively in the first 8-9 rounds. The headbutts and cut were integral in his reluctance to fight the way he did in the first 8 or 9 rounds.

    On Berto, Berto is too green and I do not think that Berto can even beat an experienced boxer with a GREAT chin like Urkal.

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    • Del Coqui
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      #22
      Originally posted by dwidsid3d
      Does it really matter.COTTO was obviously not in his best shape,I think when he fights and trains in PEURTO RICO its difficult to concentrate on the job at hand with all the distractions.When he fought QUINTANA and many people were picking him to lose he isolated himself for training and it showed.I think he looked at the age of URTKAL and his ko record and just did enough to make weight.I think if he had to he could ko URKAL a lot sooner.The real question we should be asking is why would HBO air another fight with an opponent who is 37 little ko power and just got knocked out.DIBELLA really makes me laugh it just goes to show all those rumors about BERTO's chin may be true.The difference is COTTO DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT URKAL, but had to or he would lose his belt.
      Agreed. Also add the co-promoting job Cotto had for this card. As far as Berto's chin, what's the rumor? I havent heard anything.

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        #23
        Originally posted by machotime
        To say that Cotto looked unimpressive or that he lost the last 3 rounds is completely ignorant. I watched the fight twice, and the first time it was sour because of the constant headbutts and the dumb ending. If the corner would not have thrown in the towel, the fight would not have been tarnished.

        Cotto fought impressively in the first 8-9 rounds. The headbutts and cut were integral in his reluctance to fight the way he did in the first 8 or 9 rounds.

        On Berto, Berto is too green and I do not think that Berto can even beat an experienced boxer with a GREAT chin like Urkal.
        The truly great fighters can step up to a fighter of Urkal's level and beat them even with less than 20 fights of experience. Berto looks like he could be a special fighter. Cotto is a good fighter, but he has been protected for all of his 7 year career. Arum would never have put him in with a guy like Urkal when Cotto had only 16 fights...

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          #24
          Originally posted by $iN
          The truly great fighters can step up to a fighter of Urkal's level and beat them even with less than 20 fights of experience. Berto looks like he could be a special fighter. Cotto is a good fighter, but he has been protected for all of his 7 year career. Arum would never have put him in with a guy like Urkal when Cotto had only 16 fights...
          Huh, sorry $in, but when Cotto had 17 fights he already saw guys like Ubaldo Hernandez, Justin Juuko, John Brown, Cesar Bazan and Demetrio Ceballos. Berto has seen Miguel Figueroa on his toughest test? Who's been protected? Here you go...

          http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=283680

          http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=33535

          And btw, I dont think Urkal will be himself for months after those body shots he took from Cotto, he was lucky Cotto didnt send him to the plastic surgeon.

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          • psychopath
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            #25
            Originally posted by $iN
            The truly great fighters can step up to a fighter of Urkal's level and beat them even with less than 20 fights of experience. Berto looks like he could be a special fighter. Cotto is a good fighter, but he has been protected for all of his 7 year career. Arum would never have put him in with a guy like Urkal when Cotto had only 16 fights...
            Oh yes Berto could be a good fighter . . . that remains to be seen buddy, because it's too early. Fighters can be branded great when they are retired and done with their careers wherein we'll have a clear comparison of their achivement against other great fighters.

            As to Cotto being protected . . . maybe? But you know every fighter passes through different paths and plans to hit the big time. Now that Cotto has passed the "good prospect stage" we will see how he performs and live up to the hype. The good thing is he is now looking for the hardest fights available.
            He wants to fight Margarito, now that it's not pushing through he'll fight Zab. And GOD knows who he wants next.

            That needs to be appreciated.

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            • machotime
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              #26
              Originally posted by $iN
              The truly great fighters can step up to a fighter of Urkal's level and beat them even with less than 20 fights of experience. Berto looks like he could be a special fighter. Cotto is a good fighter, but he has been protected for all of his 7 year career. Arum would never have put him in with a guy like Urkal when Cotto had only 16 fights...
              Berto has fought **** compared to what Cotto had fought at 17 fights. Berto is untested, and has many many imperfections in his arsenal. Cotto has not been protected, he has faced all of the top opposition when it was time. Realize the difference between good managing and protecting.

              Emmanuel Steward said it best when cotto was on his 25th fight(I think it was the 25th); he stated "Cotto has the most reputable and impressive 25 fight record in boxing"

              If we compared Berto at 17 and Cotto at 17 fights, anyone with boxing knowledge would know that Berto's record does not stand anywhere near as prospective as Cotto's.

              Not to take anything away from Berto, because he is impressive and highly prospective, but he could lose to a fighter like Urkal because of his experience, skill, and chin. Berto has not even been tested against a guy that can take him the distance. Like I said, Berto is green, very green.

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              • realheavyhands
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                #27
                i think berto would knock urkal out in 4 or 5 rounds.. he hits harder then cotto and is faster wiht his hands and feet

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                  #28
                  if urkal's corner hadn't thrown in the towel, it would obviously have gone to the scorecards and urkal would've had the the claim to have gone the distance with two of the sports biggest punchers: kostya tszyu and miguel cotto. cotto hit him with that dreaded left to the body over and over and over again and even landed that gigantic left uppercut that shouldve separated urkal's head from his body and urkal was totally unfazed and even waved cotto on. that blew my mind. it defied logic.

                  granted, berto's a big puncher, nobody's seen the full extent of his power yet, so its not really possible to make an accurate conclusion as to what berto could do to such a durable opponent.

                  since urkal took so much damage from cotto (head and body) and was never dropped and never staggered, im skeptical that berto could more than what cotto did.

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                  • machotime
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by realheavyhands
                    i think berto would knock urkal out in 4 or 5 rounds.. he hits harder then cotto and is faster wiht his hands and feet
                    Wow, you are really underestimating his chin arent you? and overrating Berto's power so soon in his career. Berto has fought nobody of reputation, and all of a sudden he can get rid of a guy that was not hurt by KT, and gave Vivian Harris a hell of a fight (to some people he won).

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                    • realheavyhands
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                      #30
                      ive seen his type of fighter before

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