Which middleweight through history could...

[-Antonio-]

None. sorry

You dont think 03' Toney could beat Briggs or Maskaev?

[kayjay]

You dont think 03' Toney could beat Briggs or Maskaev?

I don't ****ing know, to be honest. It would depend on who judges it. And it would be hard to judge. but Toney couldn't crack even Maskaev's weak chin, he'd roll a bunch of punches, take some huge rights, sneak in fast jabs and counters, and it would be impossible to say who won.

I can't even draw a mental picture of Toney-Briggs.

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But seriously Jones and Toney were both freaks of nature,

They did have a little help there as well.

[hemichromis]

tommy's chin taking a heavyweight punch, ouch!

actually at cruiser his chin actually was better at taking punches!

he was also far quicker than the cruisers even at 35! and still had one punch KO power

[pokpok]

From what I read, Stanley Ketchel might have a chance...

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hearns
hagler
roy jones
sugar ray robinson
sugar ray leonard
bob fitzsimmons

all of these would stand a good chance against any of the current champs bar Klitscho. all would probably have beaten ruiz

fitz and roy are the only ones which make sense out of that list.

Hearns with his chin is a no no

leonard and hrobinson are welters

Hagler... sigh... i hate to say it, because he is my man but he is too small

[hemichromis]

fitz and roy are the only ones which make sense out of that list.

Hearns with his chin is a no no

leonard and hrobinson are welters

Hagler... sigh... i hate to say it, because he is my man but he is too small

watch hearns against cruisers.

robinson was a middle throughout most of his career
leonard in the latter half.

hagler has the chin and power IMO

we are talking about GOAT middles VS some of the worst heavyweight champs in history (klit is the sxception).

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watch hearns against cruisers.

it is not like hearns fought anyone relevant at cruiser. he fought bums. the current heavys are heavys and not cruisers and good enough to be on top of this deep (ironic) hw division.

Iran Barkley knocked out Thomas Hearns, therefore any heavyweight has the power to knockout hearns (with the possible exception of Chris Byrd).

robinson was a middle throughout most of his career
leonard in the latter half.

robinson was a middleweight for two years of his prime, and he came in for title fights around 157.
I dont think you want to suggets that the robinson in his late 30s and 40s would be a heavyweight champ.

Leonard's run at middle and above was pathetic when compared to the rest of his career, which should tell you something about how well he could have handled heavyweights. also leonard did not fight a single middleweight fight until 87, so definitely not "the latter half of his career".

hagler has the chin and power IMO

I wish you were right, because I love hagler, but rememer hagler's power is only in one hand and he was 5'9".
Also, and this i am even more sad to point out, I dont think he had the boxing iq to fight at HW. Jones and Toney are smart fighters, Hagler is not.

On the chin you are quite right, Hagler has one of the most incredible chins ever, he would be able to take a few shots at heavy IMO.

we are talking about GOAT middles VS some of the worst heavyweight champs in history (klit is the sxception).

i agree with that, to the point that i barely follow HW boxing, but the middleweight limit is 160, heavys are 200 and above nowadays.

that's 40 pounds of difference.

you better be a big middleweight

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yeah but i dont know, you may be right for robinson and hagler.

these heavys suck so much ass. Since I almost stopped watching them, i cant gouge exactly how much they suck.

In any other era I would not give srr or hagler a single chance, though.

[hemichromis]

it is not like hearns fought anyone relevant at cruiser. he fought bums. the current heavys are heavys and not cruisers and good enough to be on top of this deep (ironic) hw division.

Iran Barkley knocked out Thomas Hearns, therefore any heavyweight has the power to knockout hearns (with the possible exception of Chris Byrd).



robinson was a middleweight for two years of his prime, and he came in for title fights around 157.
I dont think you want to suggets that the robinson in his late 30s and 40s would be a heavyweight champ.

Leonard's run at middle and above was pathetic when compared to the rest of his career, which should tell you something about how well he could have handled heavyweights. also leonard did not fight a single middleweight fight until 87, so definitely not "the latter half of his career".



I wish you were right, because I love hagler, but rememer hagler's power is only in one hand and he was 5'9".
Also, and this i am even more sad to point out, I dont think he had the boxing iq to fight at HW. Jones and Toney are smart fighters, Hagler is not.

On the chin you are quite right, Hagler has one of the most incredible chins ever, he would be able to take a few shots at heavy IMO.




i agree with that, to the point that i barely follow HW boxing, but the middleweight limit is 160, heavys are 200 and above nowadays.

that's 40 pounds of difference.

you better be a big middleweight

i am force to agree with you. dammit!!