Roy Jones Jr. ; Was He The Best Super Middleweight ?

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  • neverlast
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    Roy Jones Jr. ; Was He The Best Super Middleweight ?

    ROY JONES JR. ; WAS HE THE BEST SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT ?

    The " Super Middleweight '" division with a 168 pound weight limit was conceived by the International Boxing Federation in 1984. On March 28th of that year rugged Murray Sutherland pounded out a fifteen round decision over Ernie Singletary in Atlantic City to become the first champion of this bastard weight classification. . The World Boxing Association began to recognize the weight class in 1987. The World Boxing Council followed suit in 1988. Somewhere along the line the lightly regarded World Boxing Organization also gave this division its blessing. In all fairness the creation of the 168 pound class has some merit. The jump from middleweight ( 160 ) to light heavyweight ( 175 ) is a serious challenge. A few have accomplished the feat but other great middleweights like Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler avoided the issue.

    Little by little the division began to take hold. Currently the top regarded super middleweight is Joe Calzaghe although he now has a serious challenger in Mikkel Kessler. Since 1984 though the division has been graced by some great, great boxers. Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns and James Toney all held the piece of the title at one point or another. Iran Barkley, Nigel Benn and Michael Nunn among others were recognized titleholders.

    Who was the best 168 pound boxer since the inception of the weight class in 1984. Many will favor Joe Calzaghe because of his numerous title defenses. It would be hard not to say Leonard or Hearns as their classic battle at 168 lbs. ended in a controversial draw. Really neither boxer spent a lot of time in this weight class to make a major impact. Well for my money I feel the most formidable super middleweight titleholder was Roy Jones Jr. In the two years he held the crown he made six successful defenses, all by knockout.

    Roy won the title by defeating unbeaten James Toney. This much anticipated Super Bout took place on November 18, 1994. Toney had won the title in 1993 with an impressive stoppage of Iran Barkley. Entering the Las Vegas ring to face Jones, Toney sported a 44-0-2 record. The fight wasn't even close. Jones scored a flash knockdown over Toney in the third round. Roy then proceeded to walk off with the title by scores of 119-108, 118-109 and 117-111.

    In March of 1995 Roy blitzed the capable Antoine Byrd in a single round. Then in June he dominated the popular Vinny Pazienza. The bout was halted in six rounds. Then Roy took out veteran contender Tony Thornton in three rounds. In 1996 Roy belted out the game and hard punching Merqui Sosa in two. Rough and tough Eric Lucas was next and his grit and determination took him into the twelfth and final round when the bout was finally stopped. In 2001 Lucas would win the WBC version of the title. In his sixth and final defense he took out unbeaten Bryant Brannon in the second. One month later Roy would beat Mike McCallum for light heavyweight honors.

    Taking the Toney fight and all six of his defenses into account, the combined record of Roy's opposition was an astounding 208-21-7. That should clearly show how dominant Roy was at this weight. Could Roy have beaten Leonard, Hearns or even Calzaghe at this weight ? Good question but it is plain that nobody other then maybe Calzaghe dominated like Roy did at 168 pounds.
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    Originally posted by neverlast
    ROY JONES JR. ; WAS HE THE BEST SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT ?

    The " Super Middleweight '" division with a 168 pound weight limit was conceived by the International Boxing Federation in 1984. On March 28th of that year rugged Murray Sutherland pounded out a fifteen round decision over Ernie Singletary in Atlantic City to become the first champion of this bastard weight classification. . The World Boxing Association began to recognize the weight class in 1987. The World Boxing Council followed suit in 1988. Somewhere along the line the lightly regarded World Boxing Organization also gave this division its blessing. In all fairness the creation of the 168 pound class has some merit. The jump from middleweight ( 160 ) to light heavyweight ( 175 ) is a serious challenge. A few have accomplished the feat but other great middleweights like Carlos Monzon and Marvin Hagler avoided the issue.

    Little by little the division began to take hold. Currently the top regarded super middleweight is Joe Calzaghe although he now has a serious challenger in Mikkel Kessler. Since 1984 though the division has been graced by some great, great boxers. Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns and James Toney all held the piece of the title at one point or another. Iran Barkley, Nigel Benn and Michael Nunn among others were recognized titleholders.

    Who was the best 168 pound boxer since the inception of the weight class in 1984. Many will favor Joe Calzaghe because of his numerous title defenses. It would be hard not to say Leonard or Hearns as their classic battle at 168 lbs. ended in a controversial draw. Really neither boxer spent a lot of time in this weight class to make a major impact. Well for my money I feel the most formidable super middleweight titleholder was Roy Jones Jr. In the two years he held the crown he made six successful defenses, all by knockout.

    Roy won the title by defeating unbeaten James Toney. This much anticipated Super Bout took place on November 18, 1994. Toney had won the title in 1993 with an impressive stoppage of Iran Barkley. Entering the Las Vegas ring to face Jones, Toney sported a 44-0-2 record. The fight wasn't even close. Jones scored a flash knockdown over Toney in the third round. Roy then proceeded to walk off with the title by scores of 119-108, 118-109 and 117-111.

    In March of 1995 Roy blitzed the capable Antoine Byrd in a single round. Then in June he dominated the popular Vinny Pazienza. The bout was halted in six rounds. Then Roy took out veteran contender Tony Thornton in three rounds. In 1996 Roy belted out the game and hard punching Merqui Sosa in two. Rough and tough Eric Lucas was next and his grit and determination took him into the twelfth and final round when the bout was finally stopped. In 2001 Lucas would win the WBC version of the title. In his sixth and final defense he took out unbeaten Bryant Brannon in the second. One month later Roy would beat Mike McCallum for light heavyweight honors.

    Taking the Toney fight and all six of his defenses into account, the combined record of Roy's opposition was an astounding 208-21-7. That should clearly show how dominant Roy was at this weight. Could Roy have beaten Leonard, Hearns or even Calzaghe at this weight ? Good question but it is plain that nobody other then maybe Calzaghe dominated like Roy did at 168 pounds.
    there's more than a few good 168 pounders RJJ never fought, besides calzaghe. roy never fought chris eubank, he was a great supermiddleweight who probably should be in the hall of fame ( i can't believe i'm saying this, geoff hayes / juy juy will be masterbating ), we'll never be able to say if roy was the greatest, i say no, one of them, but not the best. it's not calzaghe either, at least he hasn't proven it yet

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      Originally posted by dr filth
      there's more than a few good 168 pounders RJJ never fought, besides calzaghe. roy never fought chris eubank, he was a great supermiddleweight who probably should be in the hall of fame ( i can't believe i'm saying this, geoff hayes / juy juy will be masterbating ), we'll never be able to say if roy was the greatest, i say no, one of them, but not the best. it's not calzaghe either, at least he hasn't proven it yet

      eubank never wanted to fight him...at least not in the us and if there wasnt as much money for him ...

      but if roy wasnt, then who was???

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        I would put my Money on a PRIME Eubank Over a Prime RJJ any day of the week.. Eubank had the Power and style that was all wrong for RJJ.. But you could you imgaine the taunting and showmanship that would have went down??

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          Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
          I would put my Money on a PRIME Eubank Over a Prime RJJ any day of the week.. Eubank had the Power and style that was all wrong for RJJ.. But you could you imgaine the taunting and showmanship that would have went down??


          Gee.. And you're from the UK too.. Shocking..

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            #6
            Do you favor Calzaghe's lengthy reign against average competition with his best win against Lacy, or Roys shorter reign against average competition with his best win over Toney?

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            • Welter_Skelter
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              Originally posted by aps214
              Gee.. And you're from the UK too.. Shocking..
              Actually I am Canadian.. I just live here..
              And I guess you being a yank is why you like RJJ? get ****ing real you Salad tosser..

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              • King Koyle
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                In a way,I would have to say Calzaghe.Even though he's probadly not the best super middleweight to ever grace the division.None the less,he stuck around the longest,and dominated the longest.

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                  Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
                  Actually I am Canadian.. I just live here..
                  And I guess you being a yank is why you like RJJ? get ****ing real you Salad tosser..


                  Don't be all sensitive and angry because you were exposed as a biased nationalist! At least be intellectually honest with yourself. If you TRULY believe Eubank would have beaten a prime RJJ your analytical skills need a great deal of work.

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                  • TonyJ
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                    Joe Calzaghe, the complete package: stamina, skills, smarts, power, speed, chin....

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