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  • Mr. Ryan
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    #1

    The problem with DLH is...

    His biggest weakness to me has always seemed to be his lack of ring intelligence. Maybe he knows what to do but just doesn't, but these things have affected his stamina, his getting hit too much, and just absolutely making horrible judgement calls in the ring.

    Take for instance, the fight with Tito. Winning all the way, he gives away the fight in clutch time and gets a loss he shouldn't have.

    Then against Mosley, he was unable to neutralize the right hand of Mosley in the first fight and then didn't put on an honest performance in the rematch. All boxers have the mechanism in their brains when they know who is winning every round. I don't know if he's ignoring it or is looking to win a late KO a lot, but he doesn't do enough to win rounds sometimes.

    Against Mayorga, once again we saw that there was instances in which he did great when he was boxing and sticking the jab and throwing str8 shots, but then he fell into a lull when he just stared at his man and didn't do a whole lot else. He got hit way too much for me to be impressed with him.

    It may also be because he's had 1000 trainers, that his styles are all ****ed up. But in the end, I don't see the kind of ring intelligence that Leonard and Robinson and these guys had because he doesn't have that intangible that he can always find a way to beat his man. That ability isn't in him, so he falls short of being an ATG to me.
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    I think he is intelligent but in boxing you are expected to get hit. Every boxer gets hit no matter how good their defense is. I just think Delahoya is not interested in boxing anymore, hes more interested in the money and does not put the commitment he used to. He's also an exciting fighter and thats what us fans like to see. He's a good boxer and sometimes hell brawl (sometimes) which is the fault of his style but thats why many people pay to see him.

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    • abdiel2k3
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      #3
      Originally posted by Hot Topic
      His biggest weakness to me has always seemed to be his lack of ring intelligence. Maybe he knows what to do but just doesn't, but these things have affected his stamina, his getting hit too much, and just absolutely making horrible judgement calls in the ring.

      Take for instance, the fight with Tito. Winning all the way, he gives away the fight in clutch time and gets a loss he shouldn't have.

      Then against Mosley, he was unable to neutralize the right hand of Mosley in the first fight and then didn't put on an honest performance in the rematch. All boxers have the mechanism in their brains when they know who is winning every round. I don't know if he's ignoring it or is looking to win a late KO a lot, but he doesn't do enough to win rounds sometimes.

      Against Mayorga, once again we saw that there was instances in which he did great when he was boxing and sticking the jab and throwing str8 shots, but then he fell into a lull when he just stared at his man and didn't do a whole lot else. He got hit way too much for me to be impressed with him.

      It may also be because he's had 1000 trainers, that his styles are all ****ed up. But in the end, I don't see the kind of ring intelligence that Leonard and Robinson and these guys had because he doesn't have that intangible that he can always find a way to beat his man. That ability isn't in him, so he falls short of being an ATG to me.
      this from a PACQUAIO FAN!!!!!

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      • Mr. Ryan
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        #4
        Originally posted by abdiel2k3
        this from a PACQUAIO FAN!!!!!
        I never said I was impressed with Pacquiao's ring intelligence. In fact, I see that as a weakness of his also. But atleast Pacquiao always go with his instinct to just fight. With a boxer like DLH, those things are important, no, essential to his success.

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        • PATO 1
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          #5
          for a guy so highly loved and well thought of oscar has a lotta flaws in his *********, but i think floyd snr whos the best out there has recognized them flaws and imo made oscar look better for it

          e.g. vs mayorga oscar didnt look to just move out the way out his hooks or even just take them on his (unusally Sp) high guard, instead he came out and met mayorga halfway by not only parrying them but countering them hard, idk if people remember but theres a moment in the fight were mayorga stuns oscar with a big uppercut

          vs mosley in the re-match i dont think he can come in for stick as much as people tend to give him it was a very tense fight and most feel oscar was unlucky

          oscar always seems to go in with a idea of what his opponent will do but only seems to focus on 1 thing with reference to your mosley eg an my mayorga 1

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          • psychopath
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            #6
            Originally posted by Hot Topic
            His biggest weakness to me has always seemed to be his lack of ring intelligence. Maybe he knows what to do but just doesn't, but these things have affected his stamina, his getting hit too much, and just absolutely making horrible judgement calls in the ring.

            Take for instance, the fight with Tito. Winning all the way, he gives away the fight in clutch time and gets a loss he shouldn't have.

            Then against Mosley, he was unable to neutralize the right hand of Mosley in the first fight and then didn't put on an honest performance in the rematch. All boxers have the mechanism in their brains when they know who is winning every round. I don't know if he's ignoring it or is looking to win a late KO a lot, but he doesn't do enough to win rounds sometimes.

            Against Mayorga, once again we saw that there was instances in which he did great when he was boxing and sticking the jab and throwing str8 shots, but then he fell into a lull when he just stared at his man and didn't do a whole lot else. He got hit way too much for me to be impressed with him.

            It may also be because he's had 1000 trainers, that his styles are all ****ed up. But in the end, I don't see the kind of ring intelligence that Leonard and Robinson and these guys had because he doesn't have that intangible that he can always find a way to beat his man. That ability isn't in him, so he falls short of being an ATG to me.
            Man o man . . . all fighters in the ATG list have flaws and flaws are not a basis whether a fighter will join the list or not.

            6 divisional Champ who held eleven different titles? That's what count buddy. He may not be No 1 in that list but surely he's gonna be part of that list when he retires.

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            • Smokin'
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              #7
              Ummmm....yeah the only real big flaw he had was his right hand. He corrected that. And he's not exactly a ****** fighter...He's got a feel for the game like al ot of champs.

              With the fight with Tito he was winning on the cards adn should of won 8-4. He got ***ed. Questionable tactics but he should of won.

              Fight 1 against Mosley. Mosley was simply better. Fight 2 he adjusted better.

              Fight with Mayorga he won by KO 4 or KO 6. What more do you want? He wasn't in very good shape which is why he didn't get Mayorga out even earlier.

              ...and this coming from a DLH "hater".

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              • the giant one
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                #8
                wasnt his corner more to blame in the trinidad fight for the coasting strategy?

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                • K-Nan
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                  #9
                  Delahoya is a pretty smart fighter, IMO. I just think that his motivation is seriously lacking. In the fight with Trinidad, he seemed content to just coast the rest of the fight, whereas a Morales would've saw it to the end. In the BHOP fight, I honestly think that he CHOSE to stay down from that body shot. Who rolls around after a real punishing body punch? And last would be his completely uninspired performances against Mosely.

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                  • Hydro
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by the giant one
                    wasnt his corner more to blame in the trinidad fight for the coasting strategy?
                    they told him to "box", i never heard them to tell him to stay away to the extent that he did.

                    dlh was tired, and tito is a big puncher, so who knows what would've happened?

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