The problem with DLH is...

[Mr. Ryan]

Man o man . . . all fighters in the ATG list have flaws and flaws are not a basis whether a fighter will join the list or not.

6 divisional Champ who held eleven different titles? That's what count buddy. He may not be No 1 in that list but surely he's gonna be part of that list when he retires.

Hes a 6 divisional champ with no defining wins over elite opponents. Whitaker? Couldn't really figure him out and got the decision cuz somebodys gotta win I guess. Quartey? He showed a lot of integrity, but realistically he didn't do as good as he is supposed to. Why has he yet to get that career defining win over an elite opponent? I don't know, but I suggest it's a lack of superior ring intellect that a Whitaker or a Hopkins has.

[Mr. Ryan]

Fight with Mayorga he won by KO 4 or KO 6. What more do you want? He wasn't in very good shape which is why he didn't get Mayorga out even earlier.

...and this coming from a DLH % r".

What more do I want? I saw many times in that fight in which he made mistakes and didn't make the right decisions in there and began to let Mayorga get set and get back into the fight. Mayorga is nowhere near his level and yet somehow in the either the fourth or fifth he let Mayorga get set. He showed a real lack of initiative at times and the fight shouldn't have even been allowed to go that long with the way DLH could've ted.

That kind of thing will not fly with a Mayweather. Alot of people were impressed with what he did to a stationary target who had very little hope of eluding any kind of punch, but that is not the way I'd describe my reaction. That fight proved very little to me in regards to how he'd perform against a much smarter fighter like Mayweather. And how did he correct his deficiency in the right hand? Cuz he was able to land it on Mayorga? I dunno, if you can't then maybe you're disabled or something.

[psychopath]

Hes a 6 divisional champ with no defining wins over elite opponents. Whitaker? Couldn't really figure him out and got the decision cuz somebodys gotta win I guess. Quartey? He showed a lot of integrity, but realistically he didn't do as good as he is supposed to. Why has he yet to get that career defining win over an elite opponent? I don't know, but I suggest it's a lack of superior ring intellect that a Whitaker or a Hopkins has.

Yeah Bro, I can see your point clearly but the fact of the matter is irregardless whom he had fought, what he had accomplished will still go down the history book.

[freedom213]

What more do I want? I saw many times in that fight in which he made mistakes and didn't make the right decisions in there and began to let Mayorga get set and get back into the fight. Mayorga is nowhere near his level and yet somehow in the either the fourth or fifth he let Mayorga get set. He showed a real lack of initiative at times and the fight shouldn't have even been allowed to go that long with the way DLH could've ted.

That kind of thing will not fly with a Mayweather. Alot of people were impressed with what he did to a stationary target who had very little hope of eluding any kind of punch, but that is not the way I'd describe my reaction. That fight proved very little to me in regards to how he'd perform against a much smarter fighter like Mayweather. And how did he correct his deficiency in the right hand? Cuz he was able to land it on Mayorga? I dunno, if you can't then maybe you're disabled or something.

I pretty much disagree with most of what you are saying except for the fact that I think DLH should have went after Mayorga a little more when he had him hurt. That being said Mayorga is a very strong guy, good chin unorthodox style and although he may be damaged goods he is still a far better fighter than given credit. Yes, Oscar could have done some different things that may have been more effective but what do you expect when he hadnt been in a ring for the better part of two years? Oscar seems to have gone from a fighter who used a lot of movement to set up his offense to fighting more flat footed, punching harder and adapting to his opponents styles. His defense has also shown signs of improvement. But to say Oscar doesnt show enough ring intelligence is unwarranted when you look at his career even over the last 5 years. What other fighter has fought the opponents he has faced but more importantly not just who he faced but when he fought them most were in their primes. There are obvious exceptions like Chavez and Mayorga but Mosley, Tito, Quartey, Oba Carr,Whitaker, Genaro Hernandez,Sturm, Hopkins shall I go on? Most of these fighters were at or very near the top of there game when he faced them. What other active fighters can say they fought such oppositionwith a success rate as high? My only real critique of Oscar is his inactivity but running golden boy probably doesnt leave a lot of time.

[Tha Greatest]

wasnt his corner more to blame in the trinidad fight for the coasting strategy?

Nope, not at all.

They told him to cruise for one round, but then in the last 2 they told him to go fight. So it is 100% his fault.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

His biggest weakness to me has always seemed to be his lack of ring intelligence. Maybe he knows what to do but just doesn't, but these things have affected his stamina, his getting hit too much, and just absolutely making horrible judgement calls in the ring.

Take for instance, the fight with Tito. Winning all the way, he gives away the fight in clutch time and gets a loss he shouldn't have.

Then against Mosley, he was unable to neutralize the right hand of Mosley in the first fight and then didn't put on an honest performance in the rematch. All boxers have the mechanism in their brains when they know who is winning every round. I don't know if he's ignoring it or is looking to win a late KO a lot, but he doesn't do enough to win rounds sometimes.

Against Mayorga, once again we saw that there was instances in which he did great when he was boxing and sticking the jab and throwing str8 shots, but then he fell into a lull when he just stared at his man and didn't do a whole lot else. He got hit way too much for me to be impressed with him.

It may also be because he's had 1000 trainers, that his styles are all ****ed up. But in the end, I don't see the kind of ring intelligence that Leonard and Robinson and these guys had because he doesn't have that intangible that he can always find a way to beat his man. That ability isn't in him, so he falls short of being an ATG to me.

I agree with u, I think DLH is strictly trainer driven in the ring and he doesnt have the kind of drive other fighters have to keep going and put his own signature in the fight. If the trainer doesnt say so, DLH simply doesnt do it even if its there for him to do it.

[joeytrimble]

so you guys think he relys on his trainer to much?

[Mr. Ryan]

so you guys think he relys on his trainer to much?

Definitely, he is whoever his trainer is. With a guy like Hopkins, it didn't matter cuz he always knew how to fight. He knew what decisions were right and didn't need to be told.

[BigCol]

I don't agree with you entirely on how you presented your argument almost in favour of Mayorga. Even when Mayorga got going and landed some good shots, you could just tell that Oscar was relaxed, calm, pacing himself well, and very confident. I liked Oscar's style, moving only just enough to make Ricardo fall short, but not using excessive movement. Oscar's puches were crisp, quick and hard, but I think the fight was actually won more on defense than offense, as strange as that sounds. Oscar was able to minimize the effectiveness of Ricardo's punches with his good head movement, slight footwork, and glove and arm lifts so that Mayorga was never really able to have more than brief bright moments.

Conversely, Mayorga's defense was not as good, so he could not elude as much as Oscar. That let de la Hoya know that he could pick his moments to burst with combinations and then to be conservative to recharge himself, and when push came to shove he was going to land more and make Mayorga throw and miss more and wear himself out, which enabled Oscar to confidently walk Mayorga down and consistently beat him to the punch.