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  • grayfist
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    #41
    I look at Guzman as a sort of Hamed with less power (now that he's at 130lbs.) And I'm thinking that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight shall see a different Pacquiao. Manny has to adjust to Joan's style, something he has proven very capable of doing in very subtle ways from fight to fight.

    Against Guzman, I anticipate that Pacquiao shall show less of the left straight and the right hook (Manny's version of the orthodox left hook), and expect more crisp jabs which he has not shown much of in recent fights but was part of his arsenal in his younger days.

    I think Manny will fight Guzman like Marco fought Hamed. And in as much as Pacquiao is quicker, he'll be able to out-Marco Marco Antonio Barrera.

    I know some will smirk reading this thinking that Manny cannot be Marco because Paquiao only has power and does not have the ring savvy. To that I respond: Pacquiao's ring savvy is among the most underestimated of his ring gifts. His punches may have the subtlety of a ball wrecker but his savvy takes moments to discern. It is there nonetheless. Note his changes of pace in several rounds in the two Morales fights where he was not bothered by a cut. He sometimes kept his distance then exploded. In Wu Shu, that's part of the Yin-Yang dichotomy: slow-fast, rest-explode. Notice too how he slipped away from further danger in those fights and against Larios when caught near the ropes. A Paquiao caught that way is imprinted in most memories as an event when Pacquiao was in some kind of trouble. It is not recalled as a moment when he showed he can get out of trouble. The latter is an ommission that does not lend well to understanding the total Pacquiao package atop the ring.

    Power can only get one so far; savvy is what one needs in order to stay at the top against top quality opposition. Part of savvy is not only to stay out of trouble but also to get out of trouble when one finds oneself in trouble. Even better savvy is when one is able to take advantage of troublesome situations and reverse them to one's benefit, e.g., the first KD in the second Morales fight when Morales caught Pacquiao along the ropes but was instead pummeled to the floor. Manny has shown he has that quality, although many who focus on his power miss it.

    Manny is at the top. And, some experts say, he's not yet at the top of his game. That's scary.

    Edit[B] I don't think Manny shall be looking out to KO Guzman... unless he again contracts a fever... you know what I mean.
    Last edited by grayfist; 12-14-2006, 10:48 PM.

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    • CoLd_WaVE
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      #42
      Originally posted by Hot Topic
      SANTO DOMINGO --Only 10 shopping days until Christmas and only three shopping days until boxing's most popular attraction, Manny Pacquaio, celebrates his 28th birthday. Undefeated WBO super featherweight champion Joan Guzman's Christmas gift list is long and he will not be able to work on it until after his title defense here Monday, December 18, against Antonio "TRex" Davis.

      Guzman is, however, done shopping for Emmanuel D. Pacquaio's big birthday celebration and he wants his future rival to know that, despite being in training camp in Las Vegas and flying to the Dominican Republic last night, with his entire team, he did not forget the Pacman's special day.

      "Oh no," Guzman said upon arrival in his home town, "how can I forget Manny? I hope that Manny does not forget me when it comes to picking opponents in 2007. Besides, I always felt bad for the kids who have a birthday so close to Christmas. They are often overlooked and I did not want to see this happen to my Fillipino friend."

      So what do you give the slugger who seems to have everything? Upon the suggestion of manager Jose Nunez, Guman's gift to Pacquaio is business related. Business related, yes, but also one which should provide some pre-holiday entertainment in the Pacman household in far off General Santos City, Philippines.

      "I have bought Manny an internet viewing of my title bout and the other spectacular bouts which will be seen exclusively live on maxboxing.com," Guzman said. "I was going to invite Manny, Marco Antonio Barrera and Juan Manuel Marquez to come to my beautiful country and be my special guests at the show but I know Manny is busy with all the birthday hullabaloo and my two Mexican rivals are busy with their families and getting ready for the holidays," Guzman said.

      On second thought, Guzman decided to go into his own pocket for two more subscriptions to see the bouts on maxboxing.com.

      "I will place the order today because the price is a mere $9.95," Guzman said. "It is like a pre-holiday special price to see some great boxing. This way, I can buy showings of the maxboxing,com webcast for Marco, Juan Manuel and Manny and save some money because on Monday, December 18, the price is going up to $12.95. Am I a smart boxing shopper or what? I see this a great stocking stuffer for any real boxing fan.

      Guzman, who has dazzling hand and foot speed and a marvelous defense, is not expecting a cake walk with American Davis.

      "This kid is coming to spoil my holiday homecoming. His record is a good one at 20-2 and he won a Pan Am Games gold medal in the amateurs. He is no easy opponent. But I know I must shine brightly so I remain in the mix with Marco, Manny and Juan Manuel Marquez. The 130-pounders are hot right now. A lot of great fights can be made with the top four.

      "I hope Manny eats a lot of cake and ice cream," Guzman said. "Maybe they will soften the Filpino Tiger up for the eventual night when we meet. I think Pacman and I will be like the Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali of the junior lightweight or super featherweight division. When we fight, and we will, look for a classic match up. By the way, Manny is Little Frazier and I am Little Ali."

      Guzman had one last comment to offer.

      "I want to thank all my wonderful fans for all their support in 2006. Look for even bigger things from me in the coming year. I even want to thank the haters because they bring passion to the sport and the passion of all the fans is what puts money in all world champions' pockets, including in mine. I say we can never forget the fans because they can make us or break us. Finally, to one and all and especially to all my fellow Dominicans and our great President Leonel Fernandez, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. And I wish happy holidays to my co-promoters, Golden Boy and Sycuan and their staffs, and to everyone in the boxing world."

      C/O Mike Marley
      funny **** right there....

      but seriously... i think Guzman will give Manny all he can handle once they face each other in the ring.... the guy has some mad skills.... but still, i'm leaning more towards Manny... i just wanna know what will happen if Manny lands a flush straight left on Guzman...

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      • Katz
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        #43
        Originally posted by grayfist
        I look at Guzman as a sort of Hamed with less power (now that he's at 130lbs.) And I'm thinking that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight shall see a different Pacquiao. Manny has to adjust to Joan's style, something he has proven very capable of doing in very subtle ways from fight to fight.

        Against Guzman, I anticipate that Pacquiao shall show less of the left straight and the right hook (Manny's version of the orthodox left hook), and expect more crisp jabs which he has not shown much of in recent fights but was part of his arsenal in his younger days.

        I think Manny will fight Guzman like Marco fought Hamed. And in as much as Pacquiao is quicker, he'll be able to out-Marco Marco Antonio Barrera.

        I know some will smirk reading this thinking that Manny cannot be Marco because Paquiao only has power and does not have the ring savvy. To that I respond: Pacquiao's ring savvy is among the most underestimated of his ring gifts. His punches may have the subtlety of a ball wrecker but his savvy takes moments to discern. It is there nonetheless. Note his changes of pace in several rounds in the two Morales fights where he was not bothered by a cut. He sometimes keep his distance then explodes. In Wu Shu, that's part of the Yin-Yang dichotomy: slow-fast, rest-explode. Notice too how he slipped away from further danger in those fights and against Larios when caught near the ropes. A Paquiao caught that way is imprinted in most memories as an event when Pacquiao was in some kind of trouble. It is not recalled as a moment when he showed he can get out of trouble. The latter is an ommission that does not lend well to understanding the total Pacquiao package atop the ring.

        Power can only get one so far; savvy is what one needs in order to stay at the top against top quality opposition. Part of savvy is not only to stay out of trouble but also to get out of trouble when one finds oneself in trouble. Even better savvy is when one is able to take advantage of troublesome situations and reverse them to one's benefit, e.g., the first KD in the second Morales fight when Morales caught Pacquiao along the ropes but was instead pummeled to the floor. Manny has shown he has that quality, although many who focus on his power miss it.

        Manny is at the top. And, some experts say, he's not yet at the top of his game. That's scary.

        Edit[B] I don't think Manny shall be looking out to KO Guzman... unless he again contracts a fever... you know what I mean.


        woooo... what a nice post.. its like an article

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        • burglar
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          #44
          Originally posted by grayfist
          I look at Guzman as a sort of Hamed with less power (now that he's at 130lbs.) And I'm thinking that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight shall see a different Pacquiao. Manny has to adjust to Joan's style, something he has proven very capable of doing in very subtle ways from fight to fight.

          Against Guzman, I anticipate that Pacquiao shall show less of the left straight and the right hook (Manny's version of the orthodox left hook), and expect more crisp jabs which he has not shown much of in recent fights but was part of his arsenal in his younger days.

          I think Manny will fight Guzman like Marco fought Hamed. And in as much as Pacquiao is quicker, he'll be able to out-Marco Marco Antonio Barrera.

          I know some will smirk reading this thinking that Manny cannot be Marco because Paquiao only has power and does not have the ring savvy. To that I respond: Pacquiao's ring savvy is among the most underestimated of his ring gifts. His punches may have the subtlety of a ball wrecker but his savvy takes moments to discern. It is there nonetheless. Note his changes of pace in several rounds in the two Morales fights where he was not bothered by a cut. He sometimes keep his distance then explodes. In Wu Shu, that's part of the Yin-Yang dichotomy: slow-fast, rest-explode. Notice too how he slipped away from further danger in those fights and against Larios when caught near the ropes. A Paquiao caught that way is imprinted in most memories as an event when Pacquiao was in some kind of trouble. It is not recalled as a moment when he showed he can get out of trouble. The latter is an ommission that does not lend well to understanding the total Pacquiao package atop the ring.

          Power can only get one so far; savvy is what one needs in order to stay at the top against top quality opposition. Part of savvy is not only to stay out of trouble but also to get out of trouble when one finds oneself in trouble. Even better savvy is when one is able to take advantage of troublesome situations and reverse them to one's benefit, e.g., the first KD in the second Morales fight when Morales caught Pacquiao along the ropes but was instead pummeled to the floor. Manny has shown he has that quality, although many who focus on his power miss it.

          Manny is at the top. And, some experts say, he's not yet at the top of his game. That's scary.

          Edit[B] I don't think Manny shall be looking out to KO Guzman... unless he again contracts a fever... you know what I mean.
          One of the best boxingscene writers......objective, insightful and entertaining..KUDOS TO YOU MR.GRAYFIST.........

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          • Manny_P
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            #45
            Pac TKO Guzman in 6.

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            • grayfist
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              #46
              Originally posted by burglar
              One of the best boxingscene writers......objective, insightful and entertaining..KUDOS TO YOU MR.GRAYFIST.........
              Thanks!... a "writer"...Wow! You're much too kind, buddy!

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              • grayfist
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                #47
                Originally posted by Katz
                woooo... what a nice post.. its like an article
                Thanks Katz! Just random thoughts really...Those who don't agree can call it wishful thinking. LOL!

                Thanks again!

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                • miron_lang
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Mr Perfect
                  guzman is tha **** hed beat pac no doubt


                  yeah no doubt.


                  LOL

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                  • Papa Ace
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                    #49
                    LOL@ Manny being a little Frazier and Joan being the little Ali

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                    • DarkSpyder
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by grayfist
                      I look at Guzman as a sort of Hamed with less power (now that he's at 130lbs.) And I'm thinking that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight shall see a different Pacquiao. Manny has to adjust to Joan's style, something he has proven very capable of doing in very subtle ways from fight to fight.

                      Against Guzman, I anticipate that Pacquiao shall show less of the left straight and the right hook (Manny's version of the orthodox left hook), and expect more crisp jabs which he has not shown much of in recent fights but was part of his arsenal in his younger days.

                      I think Manny will fight Guzman like Marco fought Hamed. And in as much as Pacquiao is quicker, he'll be able to out-Marco Marco Antonio Barrera.

                      I know some will smirk reading this thinking that Manny cannot be Marco because Paquiao only has power and does not have the ring savvy. To that I respond: Pacquiao's ring savvy is among the most underestimated of his ring gifts. His punches may have the subtlety of a ball wrecker but his savvy takes moments to discern. It is there nonetheless. Note his changes of pace in several rounds in the two Morales fights where he was not bothered by a cut. He sometimes kept his distance then exploded. In Wu Shu, that's part of the Yin-Yang dichotomy: slow-fast, rest-explode. Notice too how he slipped away from further danger in those fights and against Larios when caught near the ropes. A Paquiao caught that way is imprinted in most memories as an event when Pacquiao was in some kind of trouble. It is not recalled as a moment when he showed he can get out of trouble. The latter is an ommission that does not lend well to understanding the total Pacquiao package atop the ring.

                      Power can only get one so far; savvy is what one needs in order to stay at the top against top quality opposition. Part of savvy is not only to stay out of trouble but also to get out of trouble when one finds oneself in trouble. Even better savvy is when one is able to take advantage of troublesome situations and reverse them to one's benefit, e.g., the first KD in the second Morales fight when Morales caught Pacquiao along the ropes but was instead pummeled to the floor. Manny has shown he has that quality, although many who focus on his power miss it.

                      Manny is at the top. And, some experts say, he's not yet at the top of his game. That's scary.

                      Edit[B] I don't think Manny shall be looking out to KO Guzman... unless he again contracts a fever... you know what I mean.
                      Bollocks....

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