Joe Calzaghe just can't catch a break...

[Super_Lightweight]

You're digging out of your ass right now to make Roy look bad and it's not working. At the end of the day, Ruiz wa sa champ at heavyweight and one of the better heavyweights over the last half-decade. Tarver was tops at 175 when Roy took him on, and beat him fairly in the 1st fight in most people's eyes. The issue here, in any case, is the opposition, not HOW you do against the opposition.

I've just EXPLAINED to you why he's fighting Manfredo. It's on the cards that he'll be fighting Taylor in the summer. NOWHERE in my post above did I say that Manfredo was a legit opponent... in fact, I said it was a mismatch so why are you telling me something I've already just said?

Your explanation was full of ranting and anti-U.S. sentiment. No one is trying to put words in your mouth so if you take it that way, that's no fault of mine. We do not know that Taylor and Joe will fight. I hope it happens. What we do know is Joe is 35 and is wasting time right now when he could be fighting Kessler.

What happens when/if Joe beats Taylor? Does he go back to fighting Bikas? At the end of a decent career when you are still pretty good as Joe is, you make a name for yourself. Joe got some attention with the Lacy win but has mismanaged his career after that. I understand that perception is reality, but Manfredo gets respect from people who watch Contender and think those are superstars in boxing.

It does not mean anything for hardcore observers.

[Guest]

AGAIN, you're telling me nothing I don't know, re: Manfredo. If I'd said that it was a legitimate opponent who would offer the Blow a competitive match-up I could understand you saying what you do, but it's nothing I've asserted so it's fruitless.

I think what I'm saying is, is that this conversation is coming too early. Loads of NSB posters want to leap on things before they've even happened. (Remember all those pointless months spent arguing about how Lacy was the **** and Joe was "ducking" him?) If The Blow ends his career getting the Taylor fight off the back of Manfredo, then fighting the likes of Wright, Johnson, Kessler, etc., then there won't be too much complaint. So it seems a little premature to be dissing him on imagined future crimes.

As for Roy, I'm only taking the piss, but don't you think it's a LITTLE funny for a Roy Jones fan to be criticising fighters for taking on easy opposition? I mean, just a LITTLE?

As for the first Tarver fight, yeah, he won, but I can't believe it's something RJJ fans talk about proudly. Seeing your man get battered and only win by stealing close rounds is not the most cherised memory, is it?

[Shanus]

Calzaghe will never catch a break on this forum.

Thank God that this forums opinion doesn't mean ****, 80% of you are out to get Joe, and we're nuthugging Brit phags for defending him.

[Guest]

Calzaghe will never catch a break on this forum.

Thank God that this forums opinion doesn't mean ****, 80% of you are out to get Joe, and we're nuthugging Brit phags for defending him.

Like I always say, if Joe Blow had an American passport, we'd be having to sit through 15-year-olds who have been watching boxing for three months telling us all how he's an all-time great even better than Sugar Ray Robinson.

A bit like Floyd being an ATG for beating Carlos Baldomir.

[Bozo_no no]

The problem is that you HOMERS have such a hard on for Calzaghe, you forget that he spent the last decade utterly wasting potential earnings and acclaim fighting meidocre to poor opposition in his own back yard.

Yes he proved a lot of people wrong in beating Lacy. But it was ONE fight. It doesn't give him a free pass to the hall, or to write off critisism of everyting he (hadn't) done previously.

And these constant references to Jones and Hopkins are an outright JOKE.

Both those guys have wins and resumes that make Calzaghe look like a club fighter.

He had a weak resume before Lacy, destoryed Lacy, and then struggled with a virtually unranked fighter. Now he's targeting a non top ten Supper Middle in his next fight.

Should he be critisized for things that haven't happned yet? No

Does he deserve any credit for anything outside the Lacy fight in reccent years? No.

There's a middle ground here, and it's that Calzaghe really should be given any post and thread parades until he steps up off the good work of the Lacy fight which A) hasn't happned yet, and B) doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.

[dumdane]

Calzaghe will never catch a break on this forum.

Thank God that this forums opinion doesn't mean ****, 80% of you are out to get Joe, and we're nuthugging Brit phags for defending him.

Never catch a break on THIS forum???

Try going to some of the other international forums. If you think this is bad, you'll find something much worse there (personally i think it's just about right those places - if anything a bit too stuck up Joe's ass).

And Yes - You ARE a nuthugging brit - don't know about the phag thing.

[Guest]

The problem is that you HOMERS have such a hard on for Calzaghe, you forget that he spent the last decade utterly wasting potential earnings and acclaim fighting meidocre to poor opposition in his own back yard.

Yes he proved a lot of people wrong in beating Lacy. But it was ONE fight. It doesn't give him a free pass to the hall, or to write off critisism of everyting he (hadn't) done previously.

And these constant references to Jones and Hopkins are an outright JOKE.

Both those guys have wins and resumes that make Calzaghe look like a club fighter.

He had a weak resume before Lacy, destoryed Lacy, and then struggled with a virtually unranked fighter. Now he's targeting a non top ten Supper Middle in his next fight.

Should he be critisized for things that haven't happned yet? No

Does he deserve any credit for anything outside the Lacy fight in reccent years? No.

There's a middle ground here, and it's that Calzaghe really should be given any post and thread parades until he steps up off the good work of the Lacy fight which A) hasn't happned yet, and B) doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.

Most of Joe's competition was BETTER than Lacy.

NO ONE has said that Joe's competition is better than Roy Jones's or Hopkins's, only in your imagination.

Joe Calzaghe is WELSH. WALES and ENGLAND are TWO SEPARATE COUNTRIES. An English person liking Joe CANNOT be a "homer" because THEY'RE NOT FROM WALES.

It's the same as you being a "homer" for regurgitating boxrec facts about American fighters.

Show respect for fellow posters by dropping the "homer" ****, or **** off, you ****** ****ing *****.

[Bozo_no no]

Most of Joe's competition was BETTER than Lacy.

NO ONE has said that Joe's competition is better than Roy Jones's or Hopkins's, only in your imagination.

Joe Calzaghe is WELSH. WALES and ENGLAND are TWO SEPARATE COUNTRIES. An English person liking Joe CANNOT be a "homer" because THEY'RE NOT FROM WALES.

It's the same as you being a "homer" for regurgitating boxrec facts about American fighters.

Show respect for fellow posters by dropping the "homer" ****, or **** off, you ****** ****ing *****.

Wales, located in Great Britain, is one of the three constituent nations of the United Kingdom, and Calzaghe has fought almost his entire career within driving distance from your house. You CLEARLY have a hard on for the guy, and it's obviously no coincidence it's because he's from the same region as you, so drop the crying and stop suggesting otherwise.

2nd of all, it's widely agreed upon Joe's resume overall is borderline mediocre, so if you're suggesting most of them are better that Lacy, you're really putting the significance of that win in perspective now, aren't you?

Calzaghe made a statement beating Lacy, but had done little before that and has done nothing since, and looks to be continuing on that path.

Any credit he doesn't get or criticism he does get is not without merit until he takes that career high note he had with beating Lacy and looks to improve upon it.

Until that time, he's fair game for criticism no matter how much that upsets you and pulls you down from the high you felt after the Lacy fight.

[-Antonio-]

I'm just pissed at these threads discrediting Calzaghe's performance with the way Lacy fought last night. I just think that regardless of Lacy's performance last night, Calzaghe was in a lose-lose situation...

Scenario 1: Had Lacy performed poorly last night(which was what really happened)

Comment: "Calzaghe ain't **** because Lacy was an overrated one-dimentional piece of crap anyway".

Scenario 2: Had Lacy KTFO Tsypko

Comment: "Lacy had a bad night in Manchester and he would KTFO Calzaghe had Lacy been 100% like he did tonight"

And now with all these "Why the **** is he fighting Manfredo" talk? Calzaghe wants Jermaine Taylor and Hopkins but they have other plans at the moment. Give the guy some respect.

I doubt people would say that in scenerio 2. If they did then they would be ******. You Joe Cal fans are making something out of nothing. Hooks is the only one who I saw talkign ****. Let it go.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Maybe there are people on Calzaghe's resume better than Lacy, but if Joe Calzaghe retired today and you read an article about him 10 years from now. The Lacy win would be talked about the most.