how did floyd talk his way into the # 1 p4p spot

[Yogi]

P4P is a term first used by Ring Magazine to describe Sugar Ray Robinson's skills

I only read the bolded part of your post as it caught my attention, but uh..your completely wrong in saying that, because the "pound for pound" term was around long before Robinson was at his peak and it was NOT first used to describe him.

[hugh grant]

Wait so...

I want to be P4P #1 too at some point in my life and I think I can beat Mayweather (not really, but say I did), does that mean Floyd has to beat me too?

ROFL. I love the logic.

Good attempt...but do other people think you can beat Floyd? Many people think Hatton has what it takes to beat him. Whereas, you pretend to think you can beat PBF, Hatton has it on record he thinks he would beat him. If Floyd dont fight Hatton, people might think PBF agrees with Hatton.
PBF saying he is the best doesnt make him to be the best. Hatton says he would beat Mayweather doesnt mean to say he would beat PBF. Understand!!

[SnoopySmurf]

ok calm down i wouldnt go that far

Sounds like a stretch but hear me out....

He had a shoulder injury against Jose Louis Castillo and still managed to make it a close (disputed) fight. The rematch proved just how better skilled Mayweather is when he's healthy.

[PRboxingfan]

I only read the bolded part of your post as it caught my attention, but uh..your completely wrong in saying that, because the "pound for pound" term was around long before Robinson was at his peak and it was NOT first used to describe him.

Really? Hmmm.....

That phrase "pound for pound" -- used to describe a boxer whose skill in the ring puts him head and shoulders above every other fighter in the world, in any weight division -- was first coined for the one fighter most boxing aficionados agree was the best fighter in history: Sugar Ray Robinson.

Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4650586

Most associate the origin of the "pound-for-pound" title with Sugar Ray Robinson in the 1940s and indeed, to this day most recognize Robinson as the best fighter ever to tie on a pair of gloves.

Source: http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...off_pound.html


Some people argue that it was first used to by an obscure sports writer to describe Benny Leonard, but that's up for debate as nobody has been able to find said article. The first time it appeared in print AND we can prove it was regarding SRR.

[DiegoFuego]

you guys are ridiculous. nobody just JUMPS into the #1 spot out of nowhere. he was #2 when Roy Jones got knocked out in 2004. One year later, Hopkins loses, and THERE YA HAVE IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MAYWEATHER #1

follow me, little Einsteins?

[Jcsuper]

Good attempt...but do other people think you can beat Floyd? Many people think Hatton has what it takes to beat him. Whereas, you pretend to think you can beat PBF, Hatton has it on record he thinks he would beat him. If Floyd dont fight Hatton, people might think PBF agrees with Hatton.
PBF saying he is the best doesnt make him to be the best. Hatton says he would beat Mayweather doesnt mean to say he would beat PBF. Understand!!

How many times we'll have to repeat you something before you understand ?

Read it another time :

H A T T O N R E F U S E D T O F I G HT P B F

[K-DOGG]

Ni99a, pleeeeeease!

This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a while but I'm going to respond because I'm pissed off:

Floyd became P4P #1 because he was #2 and Nard lost two fights in a row. I had PBF at #1 even before Hopkins lost to Taylor the first time. The reason is because I actually understand what the term pound for pound actually means and how it's measured.

I hear so many people saying that P4P means moving up in weight and getting titles. If that were so, no natural heavyweight would ever be P4P.

P4P is a measurement of the skills, speed, power, style, and ring generalship a boxer possesses, plain and simple. It is a comparisson of boxers based on how they would perform against each other if everything were equal. P4P is a term first used by Ring Magazine to describe Sugar Ray Robinson's skills since he was heads and shoulders above anyone else in boxing at the time. Yes, he moved up and down in weight, but that's not why the term was coined; it was coined because he had the speed, power, and skill to beat anyone so long as they were equal in weight/size. It was used to describe Sugar Ray Robinson because his skills were such that if put on equal footing with any other fighter at the time, he would dominate them. It never meant that Robinson fought harder opposition or that he never lost a fight.

It's a hypothetical and objective thing, the P4P rankings are, but when we measure skill we can only measure it against the competition that a fighter has fought. Yes, PBF appears to be the most gifted fighter this side of Sugar Ray Robinson, but unless he proves it by fighting other skilled fighters (and top-10 ranked), people will always question his skills. Since he keeps fighting B-class opposition such as Chop-Chop, Gatti, and Sharmba Mitchell, some people put his skills down.

I still believe that PBF is the best P4P fighter out there but he is losing ground to fighters like Winky and Pac who keep showing they can hang, or even beat, those fighters who everyone thinks are more skilled/better fighters than they are (like Winky beating Moseley and Trinidad or Pac demolishing Barrera and Morales twice).

Pac is the heir apparent right now. So long as he looks good in his next fight and PBF loses to Oscar, he will become the #1 on my list.





Not true. Emanuel Augustus is very comfortable on the ropes.

One of the most intelligent posts on "pound-for-pound-ness" I've read in a long time. Vicious; but intelligent.

However, the term "p4p" was around before Robinson, believe it or not. It shocked me to find this out as well.

Props.

[hugh grant]

How many times we'll have to repeat you something before you understand ?

Read it another time :

H A T T O N R E F U S E D T O F I G HT P B F

I hear a lot of things. I cant expect to believe everything. I also hear that PBF only offered the fight because he knew Hatton was otherwise engaged, and i hear other things. Anyway that was yesterdays fish and chip paper. Tomorrows another day as they say. PBF still hasnt beat Hatton! And it aint too late for him to do so. The guy thinks he can whip PBF and many others think he has the style to cause PBF problems. PBF needs to be getting Hattons ass in the ring and not mention retirement.

[ThaHorseman]

I hear a lot of things. I cant expect to believe everything. I also hear that PBF only offered the fight because he knew Hatton was otherwise engaged, and i hear other things. Anyway that was yesterdays fish and chip paper. Tomorrows another day as they say. PBF still hasnt beat Hatton! And it aint too late for him to do so. The guy thinks he can whip PBF and many others think he has the style to cause PBF problems. PBF needs to be getting Hattons ass in the ring and not mention retirement.

what engagment did Hatton have that was bigger than PBF? Everyone knows that it would be a mega fight and you just don't turn those down for a "prior engagment". As for whether its too late, I think it is. I don't think Hatton will move to 147 again, especially to fight Floyd and Floyd probably won't want to go all the way down to 140 after going to 154. There was a short window of opporunity, Hatton turned it down and Floyd moved on to bigger, better things.

[hugh grant]

what engagment did Hatton have that was bigger than PBF? Everyone knows that it would be a mega fight and you just don't turn those down for a "prior engagment". As for whether its too late, I think it is. I don't think Hatton will move to 147 again, especially to fight Floyd and Floyd probably won't want to go all the way down to 140 after going to 154. There was a short window of opporunity, Hatton turned it down and Floyd moved on to bigger, better things.

I dont know whether Hattons engagement was more important that PBF, but it depends on what type of person Hatton is. He commited to 2 other opponents so he wanted to see his commitment through. That is honourable in my opinion. Just like chucking your girlfriend because a prettier one comes along type of thing.
Unless i get Hatton and PBF in a room and have a chat with them i dont really know what s in their minds. But an educated guess i would say Hatton would be willing to move up to 147. Doesnt make me einstein to come up with this guess. Another guess without talking to PBF is that he would be willing to make 147 as well. I dont know whether PBF has moved onto better things. Hatton is the in thing at the moment i would say. DLH was great and still is very good. But it is never too late. Only if PBF dont want it now for whatever reason and we dont know what that reason is. Is he worried what people say that Hatton does indeed have the style to beat him.