how did floyd talk his way into the # 1 p4p spot

[Jcsuper]

I hear a lot of things. I cant expect to believe everything. I also hear that PBF only offered the fight because he knew Hatton was otherwise engaged, and i hear other things. Anyway that was yesterdays fish and chip paper. Tomorrows another day as they say. PBF still hasnt beat Hatton! And it aint too late for him to do so. The guy thinks he can whip PBF and many others think he has the style to cause PBF problems. PBF needs to be getting Hattons ass in the ring and not mention retirement.

lol , Hatton was engaged...

Sorry, but when the considered P4P fighter make you an offer that you know you will never have again, there's no engagment that are big enough to refuse that.

Why was he engaged, Maussa , Collazo, lol?

[ThaHorseman]

I dont know whether Hattons engagement was more important that PBF, but it depends on what type of person Hatton is. He commited to 2 other opponents so he wanted to see his commitment through. That is honourable in my opinion. Just like chucking your girlfriend because a prettier one comes along type of thing.
Unless i get Hatton and PBF in a room and have a chat with them i dont really know what s in their minds. But an educated guess i would say Hatton would be willing to move up to 147. Doesnt make me einstein to come up with this guess. Another guess without talking to PBF is that he would be willing to make 147 as well. I dont know whether PBF has moved onto better things. Hatton is the in thing at the moment i would say. DLH was great and still is very good. But it is never too late. Only if PBF dont want it now for whatever reason and we dont know what that reason is. Is he worried what people say that Hatton does indeed have the style to beat him.

People said Gatti had the style to beat him, People said Judah could match his speed and overpower him for a KO, People said Baldomir would pressure him too much. Floyd has had ONE fight that was disputed. It was a fight in which he was hurt. I'm sorry, but for all this "???? has the style to beat Floyd" is bull****. Nobody has layed out a gameplan to beat Floyd. Castillo almost beat Floyd because he was hurt. In the rematch Floyd clearly won. Hatton's style is no better than the other fighters that have tried to beat Floyd. And I can guarantee Hattons engagement was not bigger than Floyd.

[hugh grant]

People said Gatti had the style to beat him, People said Judah could match his speed and overpower him for a KO, People said Baldomir would pressure him too much. Floyd has had ONE fight that was disputed. It was a fight in which he was hurt. I'm sorry, but for all this "???? has the style to beat Floyd" is bull****. Nobody has layed out a gameplan to beat Floyd. Castillo almost beat Floyd because he was hurt. In the rematch Floyd clearly won. Hatton's style is no better than the other fighters that have tried to beat Floyd. And I can guarantee Hattons engagement was not bigger than Floyd.

Hatton and Gatti style cannot be compared. Everyone gave Gatti toughs fights including guy like Ward etc etc. Hatton is better on paper than Gatti by far. Hatton is more credible than the opponent you have mentioned because his style is more effective. He is better at it. He has proved that! That is why he has won awards by knowledgable people and is ranked alongside PBF. Castillo is also ranked (dont know where) and isnt it a coincidence he gave PBF his toughest fight even thoiugh he injured his hand in one of the fights.
Again i have said Hattons engagement wasnt neccesarily bigger. But a commitment is a commitment. Maussa and Collazo would have been upset i bet if Hatton cancelled at short notice the fights. I cant imagine PBF was too upset when Hatton turned him down and didnt try unduly hard to get Hatton. PBF may actulally have breathed a sigh of relief when Hatton turned him down.

[Abe Attell]

Plus, why is Hatton trying to get a Castillo fight, who by now isn't the same fighter he was when he faced Mayweather?


There should be more talk about Hatton not getting the fight done, fighting guys like Urangowho???

[Guest]

Ni99a, pleeeeeease!

This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a while but I'm going to respond because I'm pissed off:

Floyd became P4P #1 because he was #2 and Nard lost two fights in a row. I had PBF at #1 even before Hopkins lost to Taylor the first time. The reason is because I actually understand what the term pound for pound actually means and how it's measured.

I hear so many people saying that P4P means moving up in weight and getting titles. If that were so, no natural heavyweight would ever be P4P.

P4P is a measurement of the skills, speed, power, style, and ring generalship a boxer possesses, plain and simple. It is a comparisson of boxers based on how they would perform against each other if everything were equal. P4P is a term first used by Ring Magazine to describe Sugar Ray Robinson's skills since he was heads and shoulders above anyone else in boxing at the time. Yes, he moved up and down in weight, but that's not why the term was coined; it was coined because he had the speed, power, and skill to beat anyone so long as they were equal in weight/size. It was used to describe Sugar Ray Robinson because his skills were such that if put on equal footing with any other fighter at the time, he would dominate them. It never meant that Robinson fought harder opposition or that he never lost a fight.

It's a hypothetical and objective thing, the P4P rankings are, but when we measure skill we can only measure it against the competition that a fighter has fought. Yes, PBF appears to be the most gifted fighter this side of Sugar Ray Robinson, but unless he proves it by fighting other skilled fighters (and top-10 ranked), people will always question his skills. Since he keeps fighting B-class opposition such as Chop-Chop, Gatti, and Sharmba Mitchell, some people put his skills down.

I still believe that PBF is the best P4P fighter out there but he is losing ground to fighters like Winky and Pac who keep showing they can hang, or even beat, those fighters who everyone thinks are more skilled/better fighters than they are (like Winky beating Moseley and Trinidad or Pac demolishing Barrera and Morales twice).

Pac is the heir apparent right now. So long as he looks good in his next fight and PBF loses to Oscar, he will become the #1 on my list.





Not true. Emanuel Augustus is very comfortable on the ropes.

Nice post. To me, P4P is all about who would beat who if weights were equal. I know Winky and Pac have fought better opposition recently, but at equal weight I just couldn't pick either of them to beat PBF. PBF is on another level skillwise. Opposition is a good measure, but I can't put all my eggs in that basket when guys like Hatton and Cotto, which fans believe would raise Mayweather's status, refuse to fight him...

[Yogi]

Really? Hmmm.....


Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4650586


Source: http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...off_pound.html


Some people argue that it was first used to by an obscure sports writer to describe Benny Leonard, but that's up for debate as nobody has been able to find said article. The first time it appeared in print AND we can prove it was regarding SRR.

First off, sorry for the delay in responding...Work, you know.

And secondly, I have to apologize again, but your still wrong with that, as are your two "sources".

Take a gander at this, which I posted for the umpteenth time just a couple of days ago on a different thread;

"They expressed definate disapproval of the verdict, but later cheered the home boy who had upset the fighter who has been characterized as the best in the world, pound for pound." - AP report dated June 24th, 1933

That's the exact quote and as I highlighted the "pound for pound" term WAS being used long before Robinson came along.

Yes, really.

[Yogi]

Whoops...Forgot to mention the term was being used to describe Tony Canzoneri in that quote, and it was from one of his first fight with Barney Ross.