how did floyd talk his way into the # 1 p4p spot

[eazy_mas]

I saw him against Baldy in his lasst fight and to me offensively he is not great. He has fast hands though. But where he was good is reflexes and avoid getting hit by body position and how he puts his arms. He is good but to me it only looks like a matter of time before he gets nailed and beat. He is just like a naseem hamed or RJJ and relies on his reflexes.

Floyd and James Toney are the only two slick boxers that are comfortable on the ropes most slick boxer ropes mean the end for them.

He got the style and will p4p nu1 spot. It is not easy staying in the top too

[PRboxingfan]

Ni99a, pleeeeeease!

This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a while but I'm going to respond because I'm pissed off:

Floyd became P4P #1 because he was #2 and Nard lost two fights in a row. I had PBF at #1 even before Hopkins lost to Taylor the first time. The reason is because I actually understand what the term pound for pound actually means and how it's measured.

I hear so many people saying that P4P means moving up in weight and getting titles. If that were so, no natural heavyweight would ever be P4P.

P4P is a measurement of the skills, speed, power, style, and ring generalship a boxer possesses, plain and simple. It is a comparisson of boxers based on how they would perform against each other if everything were equal. P4P is a term first used by Ring Magazine to describe Sugar Ray Robinson's skills since he was heads and shoulders above anyone else in boxing at the time. Yes, he moved up and down in weight, but that's not why the term was coined; it was coined because he had the speed, power, and skill to beat anyone so long as they were equal in weight/size. It was used to describe Sugar Ray Robinson because his skills were such that if put on equal footing with any other fighter at the time, he would dominate them. It never meant that Robinson fought harder opposition or that he never lost a fight.

It's a hypothetical and objective thing, the P4P rankings are, but when we measure skill we can only measure it against the competition that a fighter has fought. Yes, PBF appears to be the most gifted fighter this side of Sugar Ray Robinson, but unless he proves it by fighting other skilled fighters (and top-10 ranked), people will always question his skills. Since he keeps fighting B-class opposition such as Chop-Chop, Gatti, and Sharmba Mitchell, some people put his skills down.

I still believe that PBF is the best P4P fighter out there but he is losing ground to fighters like Winky and Pac who keep showing they can hang, or even beat, those fighters who everyone thinks are more skilled/better fighters than they are (like Winky beating Moseley and Trinidad or Pac demolishing Barrera and Morales twice).

Pac is the heir apparent right now. So long as he looks good in his next fight and PBF loses to Oscar, he will become the #1 on my list.

Floyd and James Toney are the only two slick boxers that are comfortable on the ropes most slick boxer ropes mean the end for them.

He got the style and will p4p nu1 spot. It is not easy staying in the top too

Not true. Emanuel Augustus is very comfortable on the ropes.

[baya]

Ni99a, pleeeeeease!

This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a while but I'm going to respond because I'm pissed off:

Floyd became P4P #1 because he was #2 and Nard lost two fights in a row. I had PBF at #1 even before Hopkins lost to Taylor the first time. The reason is because I actually understand what the term pound for pound actually means and how it's measured.

I hear so many people saying that P4P means moving up in weight and getting titles. If that were so, no natural heavyweight would ever be P4P.

P4P is a measurement of the skills, speed, power, style, and ring generalship a boxer possesses, plain and simple. It is a comparisson of boxers based on how they would perform against each other if everything were equal. P4P is a term first used by Ring Magazine to describe Sugar Ray Robinson's skills since he was heads and shoulders above anyone else in boxing at the time. Yes, he moved up and down in weight, but that's now why the term was coined; it was coined because he had the speed, power, and skill to beat anyone so long as they were equal in weight/size. It was used to describe Sugar Ray Robinson because his skills were such that if put on equal footing with any other fighter at the time, he would dominate them. It never meant that Robinson fought harder opposition or that he never lost a fight.

It's a hypothetical and objective thing, the P4P rankings are, but when we measure skill we can only measure it against the competition that a fighter has fought. Yes, PBF appears to be the most gifted fighter this side of Sugar Ray Robinson, but unless he proves it by fighting other skilled fighters (and top-10 ranked), people will always question his skills. Since he keeps fighting B-class opposition such as Chop-Chop, Gatti, and Sharmba Mitchell, some people put his skills down.

I still believe that PBF is the best P4P fighter out there but he is losing ground to fighters like Winky and Pac who keep showing they can hang, or even beat, those fighters who everyone thinks are more skilled/better fighters than they are (like Winky beating Moseley and Trinidad or Pac demolishing Barrera and Morales twice).

Pac is the heir apparent right now. So long as he looks good in his next fight and PBF loses to Oscar, he will become the #1 on my list.





Not true. Emanuel Augustus is very comfortable on the ropes.

Why'd you have to verbally e-bitchslap this guy? You always take it too ****en far ....

[hugh grant]

So subjective though p4p. PBF has to beat Hatton because Hatton wants to be be #1 p4p and thinks he can beat PBF. PBF has to prove that he can beat Hatton and that Hatton is talking bollocks. Yep PBF probably would beat Hatton in lots of peoples opinions, but not mine, but people need to see it. PBF needs to do it, and not talk it. Talking it dont make you the best.

[PRboxingfan]

Why'd you have to verbally e-bitchslap this guy? You always take it too ****en far ....

Hey man, calm down or I'll e-PIMP slap you, entiendes? And, if you keep it up, I will come to your house and drink ALL your beer.

So subjective though p4p. PBF has to beat Hatton because Hatton wants to be be #1 p4p and thinks he can beat PBF. PBF has to prove that he can beat Hatton and that Hatton is talking bollocks. Yep PBF probably would beat Hatton but people need to see it. PBF needs to do it, and not talk it. Talking it dont make you the best.

Hatton refused to fight Floyd, just like he refused to fight Sharmba Mitchell when Sharmba was considered the best at 140. He even said about a year ago that he was not ready to face PBF yet and that maybe in 2 years (a year from now) he'd be ready. THEN he says that he's ready to fight Floyd for $13 million! LOL, Floyd has never made that in his life and Ricky thinks he deserves that much dough? He must be off his rocker or trying to avoid a Floyd fight.

You can't blame Floyd for not fighting Ricky when Hatton was avoiding Floyd. Ricky declined the fight and then priced himself out just so he wouldn't look like he was scared when, in fact, he was sitting in a dark corner and asking his daddy to protect him from the Big Bad Wolf called Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

[Nacho_Analstain]

does hopkins retiring not have something to do with it?

[SnoopySmurf]

He beat Baldy with one hand when he hurt his other hand. In fact, Floyd can beat almost everyone with just one hand.

[Nacho_Analstain]

He beat Baldy with one hand when he hurt his other hand. In fact, Floyd can beat almost everyone with just one hand.

ok calm down i wouldnt go that far

[jai mari078]

Ni99a, pleeeeeease!

This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a while but I'm going to respond because I'm pissed off:

Floyd became P4P #1 because he was #2 and Nard lost two fights in a row. I had PBF at #1 even before Hopkins lost to Taylor the first time. The reason is because I actually understand what the term pound for pound actually means and how it's measured.

I hear so many people saying that P4P means moving up in weight and getting titles. If that were so, no natural heavyweight would ever be P4P.

P4P is a measurement of the skills, speed, power, style, and ring generalship a boxer possesses, plain and simple. It is a comparisson of boxers based on how they would perform against each other if everything were equal. P4P is a term first used by Ring Magazine to describe Sugar Ray Robinson's skills since he was heads and shoulders above anyone else in boxing at the time. Yes, he moved up and down in weight, but that's not why the term was coined; it was coined because he had the speed, power, and skill to beat anyone so long as they were equal in weight/size. It was used to describe Sugar Ray Robinson because his skills were such that if put on equal footing with any other fighter at the time, he would dominate them. It never meant that Robinson fought harder opposition or that he never lost a fight.

It's a hypothetical and objective thing, the P4P rankings are, but when we measure skill we can only measure it against the competition that a fighter has fought. Yes, PBF appears to be the most gifted fighter this side of Sugar Ray Robinson, but unless he proves it by fighting other skilled fighters (and top-10 ranked), people will always question his skills. Since he keeps fighting B-class opposition such as Chop-Chop, Gatti, and Sharmba Mitchell, some people put his skills down.

I still believe that PBF is the best P4P fighter out there but he is losing ground to fighters like Winky and Pac who keep showing they can hang, or even beat, those fighters who everyone thinks are more skilled/better fighters than they are (like Winky beating Moseley and Trinidad or Pac demolishing Barrera and Morales twice).

Pac is the heir apparent right now. So long as he looks good in his next fight and PBF loses to Oscar, he will become the #1 on my list.





Not true. Emanuel Augustus is very comfortable on the ropes.

Very Goood post, and even though I don't agree with your definition of P4P you make good points especially in the end when you talk about guys like Wright and Pac having fought bettere oipposition more consistantly. To me P4P isn't about the most skilled fighter, because if you aren't fighting elite opposition, all that skill doesn't mean ****. To me P4P is about consistantly fighting and beating elite opposition. That is why I have a hard time putting Floyd ahead of someone like Winky and Pac. I'm not saying that he isn't the most skilled fighter in the world but that doesn't necessarily make him #1. Now if he was looking good against elite competition and not the Gattis,Mitchells,Ndous, and not that Baldy wasn't tough but in all honesty he was aglorified journeyman that had his fifiteen minutes of fame. Floyd getting a decision win isn't all that impressive because he did exactlly what he was suppose to do. It's not like Baldy had a realistic shot. As long as Floyd boxed and moved the whole fight we knew what the outcome was gonna be. Now had he knocked him out than that would have been impressive. I;m not hating but Winky fighting Jermaine to a draw and arguably winning was more impressive in a very exciting back and forth fight especially being that Winky was the smaller man moving up in weight and Jermain was the stronger fighter. I completely agree with the points you make at the end of your post when you talk about Pac and Winky fighting better opposition. I may not agree with all your points but you still make a good post.

[deliveryman]

So subjective though p4p. PBF has to beat Hatton because Hatton wants to be be #1 p4p and thinks he can beat PBF. PBF has to prove that he can beat Hatton and that Hatton is talking bollocks. Yep PBF probably would beat Hatton in lots of peoples opinions, but not mine, but people need to see it. PBF needs to do it, and not talk it. Talking it dont make you the best.

Wait so...

I want to be P4P #1 too at some point in my life and I think I can beat Mayweather (not really, but say I did), does that mean Floyd has to beat me too?

ROFL. I love the logic.