Should Pacquiao be ranked ahead of PBF in P4P ranks?

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you still dont get it. it was made for 130. its a fact.

if you think PBF is # 1 then fine its your opinion. but are you fine if i thin PAC is #1. as we both agreed that pound for pound is subjective.

if you think PBF schools PAC if they are the same size then fine with me. BUt are you fine if i think that PAC kayoes Mayweather knowing thats its a mythical match up?


I certaily know what im talking about anyone that comes up with a list have his own categories. and i dont think u know what youve saying coz as subjective as it is. you keep on slamming your priorities in our throats in terms of deciding who is #1. while at the same time you agree that it is subjective.

and in case you dont know. there is no official definition of pound for pound. maybe u want to make yours official so that i can finally agree woth you

for the last time:

"The contract weight for the scheduled 12-rounder was 134-pounds; however, when Morales first weighed in he tipped the scales at 134 ½ and was compelled to drop the extra half-pound."

http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/2005/050910morales_raheem.html

go read any article from before the fight and you will read how raheem was to be morales' first step at lightweight.

for the 100th time:

the best in boxing between two fighters is the winner of the fight.

best pound for pound means the best fighter regardless of weight.

therefore best pound for pound means the winner of the fight if they were the same weight..

I dont agree with pac being p4p no.1 because I believe (SUBJECTIVE) that if he was the same weight as mayweather, mayweather would hand him his ass on a gold plate.

You believe (SUBJECTIVE) that pacman would KO mayweather if they were the same weight.

I tend to think that pacman being your national hero plays a role in what you believe: after seeing pacman loss to morales and most important his fight with marquez i dont think anyone with two eyes would possibly believe that pacman would beat mayweather.

if freddie roach improved pacman's game so much that he could have multiple plans, he still has to show it.

mayweather on the other hand can fight two or three differenet types of fight whenever he enters the ring. (most of the time this means switching to defensive when his right hand starts hurting, hence boring) (sometimes he becomes more offensive, see the judah fight, and fights against lesser opposition). he can stay in the pocket, he can run around, he can counter, he can lead, he can fight in the center of the ring, he can push (when paired with someone of simiilar size), he stay on the ropes.

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if freddie roach improved pacman's game so much that he could have multiple plans, he still has to show it.

you must be blind not to see that pac improved a lot since his fight w/ mab and marquez. even hbo's analysts steward and merchant agrees. and it's a scary thought that w/ all pac's accomplishments, he is STILL improving.

its a tough choice on who's p4p now. but barring no accidents and lousy fights, im sure it'll be PAC next yr clearly.

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you must be blind not to see that pac improved a lot since his fight w/ mab and marquez. even hbo's analysts steward and merchant agrees. and it's a scary thought that w/ all pac's accomplishments, he is STILL improving.

its a tough choice on who's p4p now. but barring no accidents and lousy fights, im sure it'll be PAC next yr clearly.

Maybe he looks better because he keeps fighting Morales, who has been looking progressively worse? I want to see Pac rematch JMM and beat him. Pac lost about 8-9 rounds in that fight. If he can't handle JMM's boxing skills, Floyd would just toy with him...

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floyd is the best p4p fighter in the world and theres no such thing as a number 2

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what the **** were you tryin to say ?

Manny Pacquiao is #1 P4P

case closed

this is how you respond to me after i make a fair argument for floyd, you come back with a silly question like this one? goes to show giving facts with opinions is not important to many people on here, and you are the poster boy for it, you dumbass. floyd is the best fighter in the sport is what you really meant, case closed.

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Yea and if my mom had a **** she'd be my Dad. i'm tired of hearing this if everyone wasn't ducking Floyd bull****.

Everyone that mattered at 140 and 147 has ducked Mayweather. It's a fact. Mayweather tried to make a fight with Hatton twice. The first time, Hatton demanded $13 million and for the fight to take place in Manchester. How is that not pricing yourself out of a fight when it's 4 times more than he's ever made in his life? He didn't even make 3 million for the Tsyzu fight. The second time the fight was offered to him, Hatton turned it down because he supposedly wanted to take care of his mandatory, Urkal, but instead decided to leave 147 altogether.

HBO asked Mosley about fighting Mayweather on November 4th and Mosley said his tooth hurt, he had a vacation planned, and 5 months just wasn't enough time to get to 147...

Arum would never dare put Cotto in the ring with Mayweather. He knows better than that...

Floyd has been fighting hand picked opponents for the last few years. It is hard for me to consider someone P4P when he fight opponents that have no real shot or pose no threat to him.

I consider a faded Morales for their third fight a hand picked opponent for Pac. Morales didn't even want the fight at 130 because he knew he would struggle to make that weight. He looked like **** for that reason. Larios, moving up two weight divisions, was hand picked. Velasquez was handpicked to set up the second Morales fight. In Jin Chi, now, is also handpicked. It goes both ways and it's just part of the fight game.

Floyd fans want to sat "well he beat the undisputed welter champ". SO what? He beat Baldomir which was nothing more than a journeyman fighter that got his fifteen minutes of fame. All he did was what he was suppose to do. He didn't win impressively. He won a decision over Baldomir. A limited flat footed slow fighter that had already had nine losses.

For one, Mayweather had no choice as to who the real champion was at 147. I don't see how any fighter would duck the true champion to fight a paper champion or just a contender. That's just ****** and shows how much of a hater you are.

Secondly, you're complaining about Mayweather not knocking Baldomir out? NO ONE HAS EVER KNOCKED BALDOMIR OUT. The guy has one of the best chins in boxing. Plus, Mayweather was in his 4th division and isn't a KO puncher to begin with. Once again you show how much of a hater you are. I could understand if Baldomir has a weak chin, but he doesn't. Mitchell had no chin and Mayweather knocked his ass out even though he's supposedly feather fisted at 147. There's nothing more impressive than shutting out a fighter so badly that Baldomir probably landed 2-3 punches over 12 rounds. That's utter domination...

Anyone can knock a fighter out at any time if they have power and the opportunity presents itself. How many fighters could go twelve rounds with any decent fighter and only get his a handful of times? Very few and that's why Mayweather is more impressive to me...

Pac fighting Marquez alone is technically better than anyone Floyd has ever faced, not to mention Morales in the first fight was still very good and proved in the first fight. Pac continuosly takes on elite competition and wins impressively.

Marquez has beaten absolutely no one of significance in his career. NO ONE. He is basically hype because he has good boxing skills and a lot of people think he would beat the top fighters, but he's never actually done it. Floyd has fought better, more proven fighters than Marquez.

Yeah, Morales was good in the first fight. THAT'S WHY PACQUIAO LOST THAT FIGHT! Pac didn't beat Morales until Raheem softened him up and Morales started having trouble making 130. In the second and third fights, Morales was clearly a shell of his former self.

Also, what natural 130 pound fighter has Pacquiao beat? Mayweather has been beating bigger men impressively since he stepped foot in 140...

P4P is about level of competition and the way you perform against them. P4P isn't about who is the most skilled fighter. What good is all that skill when your not testing it against the elite fighters of the sport.

If P4P isn't about skill, then you have no right to mention Marquez as a top fighter because all he has is skill as his arguement for being good. He has no resume to back it up besides a draw to Pac. But obviously you do think Marquez is a good fighter based on his skills, so you should be giving PBF his props based on the fact that he's much more skilled than JMM plus he's dominated every single fighter he's faced but Castillo, has won titles in 4 divisions, been considered the true champion in three divisions, has dominated bigger men, and he rarely even loses a round. Just give the man his props and stop hating when you got no facts to back up what you're saying...

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Everyone that mattered at 140 and 147 has ducked Mayweather. It's a fact.

You are delusional

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you must be blind not to see that pac improved a lot since his fight w/ mab and marquez. even hbo's analysts steward and merchant agrees. and it's a scary thought that w/ all pac's accomplishments, he is STILL improving.

its a tough choice on who's p4p now. but barring no accidents and lousy fights, im sure it'll be PAC next yr clearly.

you must be blind, if you do not understand what i wrote:

if freddie roach improved pacman's game so much that he could have multiple plans, he still has to show it

did I write that pac did not improve? no, and i could not have done otherwise since he did and a lot (using the right hand was a pretty big sign of improvement)

what i wrote is that i see no evidence of him getting so much better, that I can see that he is a flexible fighter.

If you want to beat mayweather without bullying him around, you better have a couple of back-up plans, since he will change the way he fights during the match. That unless you are way bigger than he is, but since we are talkng p4p, that cannot be the case.

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Good arguements.

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Everyone knows Floyd is fighting Oscar next, what about Pacman? Who is he fighting next?