Should Pacquiao be ranked ahead of PBF in P4P ranks?

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Key Word ====> SUBJECTIVE.


Fan #1 : For me P4P #1 should KO all his opponents
Fan #2 : he should be a defensive wizard like Willie Pep
fan #3 : He should fight all contenders from around his division
Fan #4 : He should be able to do stunts like Naz


'SUBJECTIVE'

at least as of this minute more people agree with me than you

key word: POUND FOR POUND namely, if fighter A and B were of the same size, who would win?

if it was otherwise it would not be called #1 p4p, but

1.#1 KO ratio
2.#1 defense
3.#1 level of competition
4.#1 acrobatics (??)


the fact that more ppl agree with you does not influence my opinion at all: Adolf Hitler was voted by a majority of germans, was that majoriy right?

Moreover the reasons i read for pacman rated number one are a load of logically inconsistent bull****. In fact this is my last post on the subject, since i am tired of wasting my time on debates of this level.

[miron_lang]

key word: POUND FOR POUND namely, if fighter A and B were of the same size, who would win?

if it was otherwise it would not be called #1 p4p, but

1.#1 KO ratio
2.#1 defense
3.#1 level of competition
4.#1 acrobatics (??)


the fact that more ppl agree with you does not influence my opinion at all: Adolf Hitler was voted by a majority of germans, was that majoriy right?

Moreover the reasons i read for pacman rated number one are a load of logically inconsistent bull****. In fact this is my last post on the subject, since i am tired of wasting my time on debates of this level.

Thats nice coz its seems that you dont know what you're talking about. you somewhat agree that pound for pound is subjective and yet you're eliminating categories that you dont like.

peace and have a nice day

[miron_lang]

key word: POUND FOR POUND namely, if fighter A and B were of the same size, who would win?

if it was otherwise it would not be called #1 p4p, but

1.#1 KO ratio
2.#1 defense
3.#1 level of competition
4.#1 acrobatics (??)


the fact that more ppl agree with you does not influence my opinion at all: Adolf Hitler was voted by a majority of germans, was that majoriy right?

Moreover the reasons i read for pacman rated number one are a load of logically inconsistent bull****. In fact this is my last post on the subject, since i am tired of wasting my time on debates of this level.

PACMAN kayoes PBF if they are the same size.

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PACMAN kayoes PBF if they are the same size.

actually this makes me want to write more

first let me note the following:

your statements come from a someone who is supporting his national hero.

my statements come from a boxing fan, who follows more than one fighter and is not of the same ethnicity and/or nationality of any of the fighters involved in this discussion

second, let's get to the match up:

if they were the same size, pbf would give pacman a schooling for the ages.

pacman is way too undisciplined to beat a fighter who has mayweather skills, speed and stamina and, most important, comes to the fight in with plan A plan B and can adjust to plan C during the fight. when was the last time you saw pacman adjusting during a fight? and dont say that pacman would not need to do any adjustment against mayweather, bcos you would only sound ridiculous.

also, go watch mayweather's fights at 130 to see what happened when he was not the smaller man in the ring

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Thats nice coz its seems that you dont know what you're talking about. you somewhat agree that pound for pound is subjective and yet you're eliminating categories that you dont like.

peace and have a nice day

if someone here does not know what he is talking about that's you.

you even invented that morales-raheem was supposed to be at 130

i am sorry if you did not understand my simple post:

"pound for pound" means "pound for pound" or "gram for gram" if you are more familiar with the metric system.

the "categories" you mention may all help you decide which fighter would be better if they were at the same weight. "better" in boxing, like in any competitive sports, means who wins, not who is more powerful, flashier, slick, skilled or whatever.

[jai mari078]

Judah isnt overrated, and Gatti wasnt shot.
Pac has done nothing to deserve the number one ranking.
He faced Morales again for no real reason, when it was clear who was better.
Morales was more shot than any opponents Floyd faced.

Judah isn't overrated huh? He has lost every major fight he has been in with the exception of beating feater fisted Spinks once after losing to him the first time. He was KTFO by Tsyzu, he was beaten by Baldomir a journeyman with nine losses. If he can't be prepared for a fight wit the biggest fight of his life on the verge depending on the outcome of the Baldomir fight tells you a little bit about his focus and mental state. Judah has all the talent in the world but can never mentally get it together. All the talent in the world doesn't mean **** if your not mentally strong. He melts down in every major fight and your gonna tell me he's not overrated. Onto Gatti. I love Gatti but he was old and way past his prime when Floyd fought him. He hadn't beaten an elite opponent for years now. People want to say things like Oscar fought Trinidads left overs which was bull**** but if you wanna go that rout Oscar destroyed Gatti long before Floyd ever fought him. So if you wanna say that you can say Floyd fought a guy that Oscar already destroyed. Finally Morales should have stopped after the secon fight with Pac, but inb there first fight he was still very good and determined and the way he fought proved that. You wanna say that Morales was more shot than anyone Floyd faced, when Floyd has made a career out of fighting hand picked opponents and Morales in the first fight and Marquez are better fighters and more technically sound than anyone Floyd has faced. So get off his nuts and open your eyes. Like someone with the screen name PBF34 is gonna be able to be objective about anything when it comes to Floyd. Pac has never ducked a fight and has continuosly fought elite competition and won impressively. Even against lesser opponents as Baldomir he bores us with less than impressive performances while he wins fights by decisioin after decision. Don't give me this Baldomir was the lineal champ crap either. Although Baldy was a nice Cinderella story in reality he was nothing more than a journeyman who had hid fifteen minutes of fame, and Floyd couldn't even win impressively against him. Baldy was slow flat footed and old, and he won the title by beating an underacheivig overrated Judah. Floyd never even hurt Baldy he just did exactly what he was suppose to do. So what he won every round against Baldy, like everybody didn't already know that was gonna happen. Baldy never was a real threat like many of Floyds opponents. He continues to win unimpressive decisions against mediocre opposition. If Pac continues to win the way he has against top level opposition than at some point he should be put ahead of Floyd. **** he should already be ahead of Floyd.

[miron_lang]

if someone here does not know what he is talking about that's you.

you even invented that morales-raheem was supposed to be at 130

i am sorry if you did not understand my simple post:

"pound for pound" means "pound for pound" or "gram for gram" if you are more familiar with the metric system.

the "categories" you mention may all help you decide which fighter would be better if they were at the same weight. "better" in boxing, like in any competitive sports, means who wins, not who is more powerful, flashier, slick, skilled or whatever.

you still dont get it. it was made for 130. its a fact.

if you think PBF is # 1 then fine its your opinion. but are you fine if i thin PAC is #1. as we both agreed that pound for pound is subjective.

if you think PBF schools PAC if they are the same size then fine with me. BUt are you fine if i think that PAC kayoes Mayweather knowing thats its a mythical match up?


I certaily know what im talking about anyone that comes up with a list have his own categories. and i dont think u know what youve saying coz as subjective as it is you keep on slamming your priorities in our throats in terms of deciding who is #1. while at the same time you agree that it is subjective.

and in case you dont know. there is no official definition of pound for pound. maybe u want to make yours official so that i can finally agree woth you

[Tuggers1986]

I dont see why people argue about this cos its only to do with opinons. There is no way to prove any one person right or wrong.

[The Wire]

If PBF beats DLH then no doubt, he's p4p the best. But if he loses and Pac beats, say, Valero, Guzman and Barrera then undoubtedly Pacman is on top

[Tuggers1986]

If PBF beats DLH then no doubt, he's p4p the best. But if he loses and Pac beats, say, Valero, Guzman and Barrera then undoubtedly Pacman is on top

What if they both win?