Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[ADP02]

Actually, 3 judges were agreed on.

And their verdict was that Travestyny won. 2 votes to 1.

I hope Bobby Deez pays up on the bet now and doesn't welch like ADP02 did.

As I understand it to this day ADP02 STILL hasn't given Travestyny his points.

Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!!!

- Read the above post by me.

Travestyny got himself and everyone confused with "threshold substances" instead of sticking to the topic! He never was able to differentiate between "threshold substances" and the topic of discussion. That in itself deserves the DQ. Sorry!

- Travestyny lied throughout the thread to change the scope of the discussion!

- After the fact, it was discovered that a judge was part of the MAYWEATHER MAFIA group.

- After the fact, it was discovered that the MAYWEATHER MAFIA groups judge's friends included 2 other judges and Travestyny!!! Sorry but unless you are a friend of the CHEATER, you must know and or realize why Travestyny must be DQ'd!!!

- So as far as I know, 3 judges were friends and Travestyny was their friend as well!

- Given the above information, you cannot expect any of the judges to DQ Travestyny. Consequently, by default, I DQ'd Travestyny!!!!




History repeats:
Now I just read that Travestyny cheated AGAIN!





DQ the CHEAT!!!!




BY THE WAY - Poster "Sh|ts on Brits" is AKA "Shoulder Roll" AKA Floyd Mayweather fan!!!! The nerve!!!!

I was right! So you are Travestyny's friend (Mayweather groupie). That is why you do not get why Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!! You guys are too much!!!!



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[ShoulderRoll]

Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!!!

- Read the above post by me.

Travestyny got himself and everyone confused with "threshold substances" instead of sticking to the topic! He never was able to differentiate between "threshold substances" and the topic of discussion. That in itself deserves the DQ. Sorry!

- Travestyny lied throughout the thread to change the scope of the discussion!

- After the fact, it was discovered that a judge was part of the MAYWEATHER MAFIA group.

- After the fact, it was discovered that the MAYWEATHER MAFIA groups judge's friends included 2 other judges and Travestyny!!! Sorry but unless you are a friend of the CHEATER, you must know why Travestyny must be DQ'd!!!

- So as far as I know, 3 judges were friends and Travestyny was their friend as well!





History repeats:
Now I just read that Travestyny cheated AGAIN!





DQ the CHEAT!!!!




BY THE WAY - Poster "Sh|ts on Brits" is AKA "Shoulder Roll" AKA Floyd Mayweather fan!!!! The nerve!!!!

I was right! So you are Travestyny's friend (Mayweather groupie). That is why you do not get why Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!! You guys are too much!!!!



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You agreed to the judges and to abide by their decision. Just because you lost doesn't mean you get to go back on your word after the fact.

[ADP02]

You agreed to the judges and to abide by their decision. Just because you lost doesn't mean you get to go back on your word after the fact.

Did you NOT read or just pretend to not read what I wrote AKA Shoulder Roll AKA Floyd Mayweather fan?


Given the above information(my post), you cannot expect any of the judges to DQ Travestyny since they were all (3 of 4) friends of Mayweather Mafia judge.


Consequently, by default, I DQ'd Travestyny!!!! Sorry!

[ShoulderRoll]

Did you NOT read or just pretend to not read what I wrote AKA Shoulder Roll AKA Floyd Mayweather fan?


Given the above information(my post), you cannot expect any of the judges to DQ Travestyny since they were all (3 of 4) friends of Mayweather Mafia judge.


Consequently, by default, I DQ'd Travestyny!!!! Sorry!

Who were the judges again?

As I recall every effort was made to get unbiased and fair posters, you were even allowed to pick or reject people yourself. Precisely so that you wouldn't have any excuses.

Yet here you are still making excuses anyway.

[ADP02]

Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!!!

- Read the above post by me.

Travestyny got himself and everyone confused with "threshold substances" instead of sticking to the topic! He never was able to differentiate between "threshold substances" and the topic of discussion. That in itself deserves the DQ. Sorry!

- Travestyny lied throughout the thread to change the scope of the discussion!

- After the fact, it was discovered that a judge was part of the MAYWEATHER MAFIA group.

- After the fact, it was discovered that the MAYWEATHER MAFIA groups judge's friends included 2 other judges and Travestyny!!! Sorry but unless you are a friend of the CHEATER, you must know and or realize why Travestyny must be DQ'd!!!

- So as far as I know, 3 judges were friends and Travestyny was their friend as well!

- Given the above information, you cannot expect any of the judges to DQ Travestyny. Consequently, by default, I DQ'd Travestyny!!!!




History repeats:
Now I just read that Travestyny cheated AGAIN!





DQ the CHEAT!!!!




BY THE WAY - Poster "Sh|ts on Brits" is AKA "Shoulder Roll" AKA Floyd Mayweather fan!!!! The nerve!!!!

I was right! So you are Travestyny's friend (Mayweather groupie). That is why you do not get why Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!! You guys are too much!!!!



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Who were the judges again?

As I recall every effort was made to get unbiased and fair posters, you were even allowed to pick or reject people yourself. Precisely so that you wouldn't have any excuses.

Yet here you are still making excuses anyway.

Did you not read?

The information that the judges were friends was discovered after the fact!!!!


And no, there was no effort made to get unbiased judges!!! I had to initially reject all of the judges that were being forwarded to me because they were all clear Floyd Mayweather fans!

I had no idea that they were friends until after the fact! So even if they say that they were unbiased, friends will stick with friends and vote the same way!!!



Mayweather Mafia judge clearly didn't vote on the facts. He even admitted that he just felt that Travestyny was posting more so he gave it to him or something like that. His friends just followed his direction.


This is like a scandal where it is found after the fact that there was some funny business going on. The athlete is either DQ'd or its a NC. You do not award the athlete anything no matter how it was scored! Sorry!




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[ShoulderRoll]

Did you not read?

The information that the judges were friends was discovered after the fact!!!!


And no, there was no effort made to get unbiased judges!!! I had to initially reject all of the judges that were being forwarded to me because they were all clear Floyd Mayweather fans!

I had no idea that they were friends until after the fact! So even if they say that they were unbiased, friends will stick with friends and vote the same way!!!



Mayweather Mafia judge clearly didn't vote on the facts. He even admitted that he just felt that Travestyny was posting more so he gave it to him or something like that. His friends just followed his direction.


This is like a scandal where it is found after the fact that there was some funny business going on. The athlete is either DQ'd or its a NC. You do not award the athlete anything no matter how it was scored! Sorry!




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Give us the names of the judges. Most people will be able to tell if they are fair posters or not.

[ADP02]

Give us the names of the judges. Most people will be able to tell if they are fair posters or not.

Fair is in the eye of the beholder!


For example:
You may be fair but you will be biased in that you see from the eye of a Mayweather fan.

You may be fair but you will be unintentionally or intentionally vote the same way that your friends voted.

You may be fair but at the end of the day you will say that LarryXXX or Travestyny are fair guys but Spoon or Pac Boy are not, for example .... just because of one factor! You are a Mayweather fan.


It's really simple. I always say this. Turn the tables around and let me know if you like it.
Example: All 3 judges are from Manny's country and so is the ref and it is fought in Manny's country. All 3 judges give the win to Manny handily over Floyd. You would call that fair win when I tell you that it was a fair and good call by the judges? Nope! You would say, most probably, there was bias either on the wide margin of the scores or the win itself.

You would have said, fair would have been either 3 neutral country judges or 1 USA, 1 Phils and 1 other country ..... and with a neutral ref not one from Manny's or Floyd's home town!!!

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[travestyny]

Here is proof that you were WRONG!!!! Man are you WRONG!!!!



You have been quoting this to mean that there are no threshold type tests for EPO and other non-threshold substances since they are not threshold substances.




You have also used this quote to think that there cannot be threshold type tests:


Here is you telling me to show you proof and stating that only threshold substances have threshold type criteria:


Here is that CAS disagreeing with you on all fronts:




So as you can read above, Non-Threshold substances can have threshold tests!!!! Ooops!!!

But you should have realized all that many moons ago! I even gave you simple examples such as T/E RATIO test is a threshold type test!!!!



KABADABINGABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOM!!!!!


That in of itself shoots down everything you have been preaching. As I stated, YOU TRAVESTNY ARE WRONG!!!!!!




Also in the case, there are supposedly 4 criteria tested. The athlete says that several of the threshold tests are off so the test results are useless. BUT the panel agreed with USADA that other criteria are just as reliable so the athlete was wrong and USADA was right





Next WRONG point by TRAVESTYNY - You keep on stating, if it is a Qualitative test then there are no threshold type tests.





I didn't deflect. I agreed that they are qualitative in nature but










The case agrees with both of us that it's qualitative but remember that they also said that there can be threshold type tests for non-threshold substances!!! Say what?





Here is one more thing that you said:


As I stated, by reading and understanding the criteria one can tell that it is implied.

The panel referred to a document for the threshold tests but if you were to look at the document, they are not referred to as threshold type tests! The document never refers them as thresholds but rather "deltas" and "ratios". Ooops!!!


So as you should finally realize, you are WRONG TRAVESTYNY and the WADA EXPERTs were right.



You misinterpreted what the CAS panel was trying to state and much much more!!!!

YOU were comparing apples to oranges. The panel told the athlete and YOU that there is not just a single criteria named BAP test for EPO testing so it's not like testing "threshold substances". There can be other tests as well if they are just as reliable. The panel agreed.


But you should have realized all of this when the WADA EXPERTS called it a threshold type test.


Both sides called it a threshold test!




In this post alone, I identified several of your statements being WRONG Travestyny. I lost track on how many!!!! Care to count?




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I feel your pain! It must have hurt reading all those WRONGs of Travestyny!!!


DEFLECTION CITY!!!!

What else could I have expected by the one the call the DEFLECTOR!!!!


Can you not read? YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG!!!!



You have equated threshold substances as apples and EPO testing as NOT apples but how can you compare threshold to non-threshold susbtances!!!! It is a different beast.

Not the same. Poor Travesytny cannot get it even if the door just hit him in the face!!!


According to the LAB, the test for BAP was 80% as that is what has been used as precedence by CAS and that was the rules according to WADA/IOC up to that point. The UCI federation accepted any and all criteria.

The lab's head dude named Dr Catlin said that there is a BAP threshold of 80% but the LAB now have other criteria that can also be used and are reliable. The panel agreed since WADA's upcoming document has this change anyhoot!


Even the current EPO document works that way! There are multiple criteria. One can be sufficient but a threshold criteria is not the end all .... it's just 1 of several (depending on the test) and they also have 2nd opinions and so on .... but the question was all along, was there a threshold type criteria.

Well, it is useless asking you because you are too far gone, too lost, too confused!!!

Go back to posting threshold substances!!!


1) So do you still think that non-threshold substances cannot have threshold type tests?

2) So do you still think that if it's a qualitative result that there cannot be threshold type tests?

3) So do you still think that if another criteria is used that it then means that none of the criteria are threshold type criteria?

4) So do you still think that they were discussing to the athlete that because there is just a mere presence required of the substance, no threshold tests are in the picture?

5) You still think that the panel was discussing apples (threshold substances) to oranges (non-threshold substances) to state that only threshold substances have threshold type tests? How does it feel now that you had this WRONG??? I feel for you!!!



Man, I can go on ..... OK, OK, I will!!! LOL

6) You still think that there are no Ratios, scores, none of that?

7) It was not about the intensity of the bands?

8) The CUT-OFF Line is not calculated?

9) ABP hematological module is not used in the detection of EPO?

10) I better stop because you will say that I found too many mistakes made by you (stop writing long posts)


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WHAT A DEFLECTOR!!!!!


Hmmm, lets see. I already answered your questions and YOU FAILED!!!!


So only one option left!

Maybe #2 option sounds better anyways.


Lets see, who is right on this?




Oh, that one will be difficult! LOL




Your only hope is to get back the MAYWEATHER MAFIA and company team that let everything slide!!!

EXAMPLES:






DEFLECTOR .... TICK TOCK .......

it is time to admit that,

YOU ARE WRONG, TRAVESTYNY!!!





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ADP, I’ve told you time and time again that you are wrong, but you are obsessed. The court told you that you are wrong, but you can’t handle it.

Now you are still going on and on. What you are now referring to is the document used for the ABP steroidal module. This is NOT used for testing for EPO specifically, you fool. Dosumpthin and I have both explained this to you.

1. I’ve asked you the same 4or 5 questions over and over that you refuse to answer.

2. I offered a rematch. You have no confidence in your position, so you won’t mention it.

Then WTF do you want? Stop writing me essays. You were clearly proven wrong and it’s over. If you think you found something good and want a rematch, let me know and I’d be happy to cave in the other side of your face. Thanks.

[ShoulderRoll]

Fair is in the eye of the beholder!


For example:
You may be fair but you will be biased in that you see from the eye of a Mayweather fan.

You may be fair but you will be unintentionally or intentionally vote the same way that your friends voted.

You may be fair but at the end of the day you will say that LarryXXX or Travestyny are fair guys but Spoon or Pac Boy are not, for example .... just because of one factor! You are a Mayweather fan.


It's really simple. I always say this. Turn the tables around and let me know if you like it.
Example: All 3 judges are from Manny's country and so is the ref and it is fought in Manny's country. All 3 judges give the win to Manny handily over Floyd. You would call that fair win when I tell you that it was a fair and good call by the judges? Nope! You would say, most probably, there was bias either on the wide margin of the scores or the win itself.

You would have said, fair would have been either 3 neutral country judges or 1 USA, 1 Phils and 1 other country ..... and with a neutral ref not one from Manny's or Floyd's home town!!!

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But for example, I believe billeau2 was one of the judges.

He and I are friendly with each other but he is not a fan of Floyd.

He voted against you based on the debate itself not on any bias for Mayweather. He was fair.

I'm sure the other 3 judges (who all voted against you too) were similarly fair.

[GhostofDempsey]

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Travesty didn't follow the rules. He went well beyond five posts after Bobby posted his proof. Travesty also entered race into the discussion in post 298, which is also a disqualifier. So he is DQ'd on two counts.