Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[Spoon23]

Dr Catlin told you yet you think that he is wrong.

Both sides in the case told you yet you think that they are wrong.

Other cases called it a threshold test yet you think that they are wrong.

Other WADA experts called it a threshold yet you think that they are wrong.

Other WADA experts years after the case still called it a threshold test yet you think that they are wrong.


I know that they are right and you just misinterpreted what the panel were trying to tell you in that case!

No, they were not saying that only threshold substances have threshold type tests. EPO's threshold test was a criteria used by the LAB but what the panel was trying to tell you is that there are other criteria now that are just as reliable and can be used to come to a conclusion. Even in today's EPO technical document, that is the way it works!!!!


TRAVESTYNY is WRONG. Those people that I mentioned above are RIGHT. Sorry Travestyny!!!!


DING DING DING, it's time for you to admit that ....




YOU ARE WRONG, TRAVESTYNY!!!!!




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Apparently, Travestyny has a PHD in Fl0mo science that's why she is better than any doctor lololololol

[Spoon23]

You cannot read? I said why. You showed me a screen shot of a document! It didn't have all threshold tests used by WADA labs and that was only for threshold substances!


I explained up until now what I meant ... but you still do not want to understand! Sorry!

lol Travesty is in a shyit hole. She can't distinguish what "WHY" means. You got him good ADP02. Another checkmate.

Well done.

[travestyny]

lol Travesty is in a shyit hole. She can't distinguish what "WHY" means. You got him good ADP02. Another checkmate.

Well done.

ADP couldn't hold my jockstrap

[Spoon23]

This dude likes to play the "got you game".

We were discussing drug testing and that EPO has threshold and that the athlete can use various avenues to be under this threshold. The dude got hung up on me saying in a post "threshold substance" and tried to tie it to mean as phrased in a separate WADA document instead of understanding what I meant by it. That is, EPO has threshold type test.

So then I explained it to him and continued to explain it to him.

So the argument was on "Does EPO have threshold type test". We had a separate thread on this in which I think you know about. Even today, he still doesn't or does not want to get it. During his whole argument, he continuously went back to threshold substance instead of discussing threshold test for EPO.

At some point, he may have realized that there can be EPO threshold type test but he tried to persuade others that "it doesn't count" But he knows that we had no limits on this. We just had to verify if there was or was not EPO threshold type test. That is, all should count as I even gave examples such as T/E RATIO test is a threshold test and then he even said that there are no thresholds, no ratios, no scores no measurements of band Intensity ...... Once I proved him wrong, he said "that does not count"


BAP being a threshold type test:
He doesn't even get the quotes that he continues to post in this thread! His quotes are about threshold substances not EPO threshold test! Or should I say, testing for EPO such as threshold test is not the same as "threshold substance" test result . He still does not get it! As mentioned, both sides in that case called it a threshold test!!!!


I have multiple WADA EPO experts who wrote books on this subject stating that the BAP test for EPO is a threshold test. So he knows that he cannot get away with his BS!!!


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My good Lord, there are multiple subjects about epo threshold test and Travestyny can't seem to figure out if there is such a thing.. Classic Travestyny. Hopeless case.

[travestyny]

My good Lord, there are multiple subjects about epo threshold test and Travestyny can't seem to figure out if there is such a thing.. Classic Travestyny. Hopeless case.

I figured it out just fine, Buboy. I did win 4-0, you know.


How's Pac? He ready or what?

[Spoon23]

TRAVESTYNY is WRONG. Those people that I mentioned above are RIGHT. Sorry Travestyny!!!!


DING DING DING, it's time for you to admit that ....




YOU ARE WRONG, TRAVESTYNY!!!!!




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ADP02, you got him by the horns. All you need is to figure out how to make Travestyny realise what the topic of your discussion is. She doesn't know what's the premise, therefore, don't expect her to fold. That's the problem lmao

But to us watching. You just took him to school bruh. Good job! Ace!

[travestyny]

ADP02, you got him by the horns. All you need is to figure out how to make Travestyny realise what the topic of your discussion is.

ADP needs to get his story straight

This is not a discussion on Threshold substance

Sample A is a mixture of those 2 urine samples. There the second is diluting the initial one.

b) Threshold substances, there can be traces but the delay and dilution will drive down the numbers

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[Spoon23]

What's even funnier is he thinks he's 'winning' and 'wrecking people', and 'beating them up' by out-posting them. He actually equates mass Internet posting with a real fight!!!

Talk about a guy who lives vicariously through the Internet.

What's funny is he sends me PMs begging me to take him off Ignore, apologizing to me, telling me his personal problems, kissing my ass, and then when that don't work he sends PMs to people I get along with and begs them to ask me to take him off Ignore.

He's like a scorned woman begging a man for second chance.

Then he says he's "wrecking" and "destroying" me.

Yeah idiot, when you're begging someone for forgiveness you're really destroying them. LMFAO!!!!

He truly lives in a jacked-up world all his own.

Yup, all you said is what makes Travesty so enjoyable. She's like a scorned woman alright. Shameless.

She gets beat up over and over, and she never complains, and in her mind her love for failing keeps her going hahaha!

[travestyny]

Yup, all you said is what makes Travesty so enjoyable. She's like a scorned woman alright. Shameless.

She gets beat up over and over, and she never complains, and in her mind her love for failing keeps her going hahaha!

You need to get out and run, buboy

[Dosumpthin]

What? ABP does not directly detect if the substance was in the athlete sample at the time of getting the athlete's sample. I never said it did.

I said already that it is an indirect EPO test! Direct or indirect, one of the ABP modules is still a test for EPO! In some ways it is a better test since the EPO drug is not in your system for a long time while it's affects are still present.

Even WADA brings up why they are using ABP. They have several modules. Their hematological module (blood module), it's to indirectly test for EPO and blood transfusions. In certain cases, they can determine that there is strong evidence of EPO abuse. How? Because certain parameters/results give that indication.

They also use ABP testing as a screening test for ==>> direct EPO testing since direct approach is costly and time consuming, they do not do direct testing on everyone.






Whizzinator was about masking the drug used and/or its masking agent:
Sorry but it was you that took that out of context. Is Whizzinator the only way to mask? Nope! Yet it seems that is all you know about!

Here is the interview from early 2010. The interview happened after Floyd vs Manny fight didn't happen.

BTW - Travis Tygart works for USADA and was well aware of ABP:

Q: If I had 72 hours, could I mask EPO?
A: "Yeah."
Q: If I knew it was coming, I could mask it?
A: "Yeah. Same with steroids."
Q: How quickly could I mask it? What's the shortest time frame, if I knew it was coming, that I could mask it?
A: "I mean, we do no notice. We literally show up, and knock on a door, and we find them."
Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask it? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?
A: "Yep, all that."
Q: If I knew 10 minutes before test, could I mask it?
A: "Yep. If you had some urine and a Whizzinator, 10 minutes before, you could mask it. If you had a catheter, which is not that tough to do, you could do it."
Q: What about blood testing? Could I mask it then?
A: "For transfusions, the 14 days is not going to give you much concern. The evidence of the transfusion will stay in your system longer than the 14 days. But the human growth hormone, for sure not."


ABP - It is another test that WADA can use in their arsenal. BUT it is not going to catch everyone because the athletes know how they can beat it. Some get caught but quite a few do not.


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"BTW - Travis Tygart works for USADA and was well aware of ABP"

LOL - idiot

This is why you have ZERO credibility. Never mind TYGART CLEARLY STATES HES TALKING ABOUT NSAC TESTING......

The ABP steroid module (URINE) was implemented Jan 2014.


Smh...... 2010 quote about a Whizzinator.....smh again.






I don't think I have to say anything else. - wait - DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU?