Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[ADP02]

What exactly do you think was the "threshold" that they were referring to? The 80% in the BAP?

So is it a threshold type test or not?

Again, I do not want to put words in your mouth but the previous post it appears that you finally admitted to that it is a threshold type test. Yet you are now still saying that the panel is saying that it is not a threshold type test?




BTW - Is this the link? It is not working:

https://www.doping.nl/media/kb/123/CAS%202004_O_697%20Bergman%20vs%20USADA%20S-FS.pdf

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[travestyny]

So is it a threshold type test or not?

Again, I do not want to put words in your mouth but the previous post it appears that you finally admitted to that it is a threshold type test. Yet you are now still saying that the panel is saying that it is not a threshold type test?




BTW - Is this the link? It is not working:

https://www.doping.nl/media/kb/123/CAS%202004_O_697%20Bergman%20vs%20USADA%20S-FS.pdf

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Oh to the contraire But why are you ducking every single question?

Is it the 80% that represents the "threshold"?


And seems you are right. That link isn't working anymore. I'm sure I can help you out with finding the case, however. Are you going to answer any questions today or keep deflecting?

[ADP02]

Did Floyd sign a 50/50 contract while Pac claimed to need a 24 day window free of blood testing causing the fight not to get made? Just another question for you to deflect.

Manny was going on a concern due to what happened to him with Morales. Manny said it can affect his training too but once Floyd and company kept pushing that Manny must be a cheat, Manny sued them. Normal since even the ones who said that to Manny said the same when Mosley was going to fight Zab Judah. They told Zab Judah to screw himself!!! and Mosley was a cheat!

That was maybe a year earlier. So then they forgot about all that when they tried to pull that off on Manny?

ne of Judah's managers, Michael Shinefield, said he sent an e-mail two weeks ago to Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mosley, calling for blood testing for both fighters. Golden Boy chief executive Richard Schaefer said he has not responded to that e-mail, but that Mosley will agree to any tests required by the Nevada Athletic Commission.

"Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires," Schaefer said. "The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one :lol: ."

Did Floyd need an IV claiming that giving blood 10 days before contributed to that? Giving urine contributed to that? Do you believe Floyd?



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[travestyny]

Manny was going on a concern due to what happened to him with Morales. Manny said it can affect his training too but once Floyd and company kept pushing that Manny must be a cheat, Manny sued them. Normal since even the ones who said that to Manny said the same when Mosley was going to fight Zab Judah. They told Zab Judah to screw himself!!! and Mosley was a cheat!

That was maybe a year earlier. So then they forgot about all that when they tried to pull that off on Manny?

You didn't disappoint. You DID deflect. Shane vs. Judah? lol. It was a simple question. Did Pac decline to fight for a 50/50 split because he needed 24 days to recover from blood testing? I didn't see you confirm that with a yes or no.

You can admit that 24 days was bullshlt. Even Spoon admit it, and he is Buboy.

Did Floyd need an IV claiming that giving blood 10 days before contributed to that? Giving urine contributed to that? Do you believe Floyd?
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No, he did not. He said overworking was the cause.

[ADP02]

Oh to the contraire But why are you ducking every single question?

Is it the 80% that represents the "threshold"?


And seems you are right. That link isn't working anymore. I'm sure I can help you out with finding the case, however. Are you going to answer any questions today or keep deflecting?

On my side, I do not duck ....

Why move on to other questions when it was this that we were arguing on initially (several posts ago) and you still deflect! Once you answer, I will move on. no problem.


So, as you were DEFLECTING, I mean, saying .... respond to what you and what you believe the panel are trying to say. What's the problem?



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[travestyny]

On my side, I do not duck ....

Why move on to other questions when it was this that we were arguing on initially (several posts ago) and you still deflect! Once you answer, I will move on. no problem.


So, as you were DEFLECTING, I mean, saying .... respond to what you and what you believe the panel are trying to say. What's the problem?



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What the hell are you talking about? You haven't answered ONE of my questions here. You are truly the great deflector.

All I'm asking you is if the 80% represents the threshold for the BAP. You are the one who keeps wanting to discuss the BAP, knowing it's irrelevant. I finally say ok, let's discuss it, AND YOU EVEN DEFLECT FROM THAT.

Unbelievable. Are you capable of answering any questions??

As per your question:

I'm saying the panel is saying it's not a threshold test. Is that clear?

[ADP02]

You didn't disappoint. You DID deflect. Shane vs. Judah? lol. It was a simple question. Did Pac decline to fight for a 50/50 split because he needed 24 days to recover from blood testing? I didn't see you confirm that with a yes or no.

You can admit that 24 days was bullshlt. Even Spoon admit it, and he is Buboy.





No, he did not. He said overworking was the cause.

You see, even those who were criticizing Manny called what Floyd did BS!!!!

It was certainly BS since Floyd was the one who ended up using an ILLEGAL BANNED IV!!!!



DEFLECTOR, did he not say blood and urine contributed? Ooops! You too cannot believe Floyd. GOT IT!!!


Overworking?

The dude said all is good in his interviews days before and said he was relaxing on his FINAL DAYS. Man, he said the same soon after getting the IV in an interview!!!! WHAT A MIRACLE!!! What a BS!!!




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[ADP02]

What the hell are you talking about? You haven't answered ONE of my questions here. You are truly the great deflector.

All I'm asking you is if the 80% represents the threshold for the BAP. You are the one who keeps wanting to discuss the BAP, knowing it's irrelevant. I finally say ok, let's discuss it, AND YOU EVEN DEFLECT FROM THAT.

Unbelievable. Are you capable of answering any questions??

As per your question:

I'm saying the panel is saying it's not a threshold test. Is that clear?

A few posts ago, you said that the BAP test was a threshold type test. ARE YOU WRONG?

Please explain.

[travestyny]

You see, even those who were criticizing Manny called what Floyd did BS!!!!

It was certainly BS since Floyd was the one who ended up using an ILLEGAL BANNED IV!!!!



DEFLECTOR, did he not say blood and urine contributed? Ooops! You too cannot believe Floyd. GOT IT!!!

1. You bringing up Shane and Judah was a deflection. You know it and I know it.

2. No, he did not say that. Did Pacquiao say that he was afraid of needles.

Overworking?

The dude said all is good in his interviews days before and said he was relaxing on his FINAL DAYS. Man, he said the same soon after getting the IV in an interview!!!! WHAT A MIRACLE!!! What a BS!!!

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But you still gave no answer Did Pacquiao deny himself a 50/50 split by needing 24 days to recover from blood testing? You are allergic to questions

[travestyny]

A few posts ago, you said that the BAP test was a threshold type test. ARE YOU WRONG?

Please explain.

I've told you this a billion times in this very thread. The Panel stated clearly that the BAP is not a threshold test.

Now are you going to answer? Is it the 80% requirement that you are using to refer to as the "threshold"?

---Edit----

Ahhhhh, I see what you are trying to do! You are trying to change the scope to if there was ever a threshold test for EPO. You are no longer concerned with the WADA TD2014EPO document. You are now shifting to saying there was a threshold test for that specific court case. LMAO. It's not going to work, ADP. First of all, abandoning the WADA TD2014EPO document wrecks you in the rematch, since you clearly stated the scope:

SCOPE: Does the EPO technical document refer to threshold criteria

for epo testing, please refer to the following wada document:
wada technical document – td2014epo

Second, even if you wanted to stick to that specific case, the court says the BAP that you are referring to is not a threshold.

I think I answered your question. Are you finally going to answer mine?