Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[ADP02]

Even the announcers from Pacquiao's own network, HBO, thought Floyd won.

Those same commentators had Castillo winning.... Oooops! That doesn't count? Then you rely on what others had to say. Right? Carry on ...


I thought you would come back with an analysis of round 3? Maybe you did. Did I miss it?

[ADP02]

killing a super-fight by refusing random blood tests

requesting toradol, but then refusing cortisone LOL


like i said, pac-tards should STFU about steroids

Sorry but its Floyd that had those T/E ratios that looked su****ious.

Sorry but its Floyd that had been reported/rumored to have failed some tests.

Sorry but its Floyd that had used an illegal method without having a prior TUE approval. Got saved by his friend USADA ....

Sorry but its FLoyd that told YOU and you believed him that he was supposedly 100% ALL NATURAL .... now we know its a crock!!!



Yup, here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee had to say about the RETRO TUE. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.



WADA's TUE Expert on how athletes use & abuse TUE's:

https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/wa...use-abuse-tues

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.


"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY).

Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."


and as we ALL witnessed, Floyd was able to drink orally, not vomiting and not running to no restroom every 2 minutes .... I even have a video of him laughing it up as he leaves MGM saying that he needs to go to sportsbook (to delay some more) to bet on the basketball game"


In case you didn't know, here is Floyd drinking just before getting the IV





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[travestyny]

1) Your response is lame

Manny wanted to fight and at that point in time, they already made their decision to fight. Of course, they discussed that it would require meds. They were refused.

IF the NSAC says that you either fight naturally without the meds or do not fight. Then how do you think that Manny's team will be responding?



2) The NSAC said that they needed time:
"the NSAC denied it because the injury wasn't reported to them beforehand."

NSAC chairman Francisco Aguilar told Pugmire, "If the injury was disclosed at the weigh-in, we could've had a conversation and handled it differently. When you come at 6:30 with the fight at 8, that's a different conversation."

I'll tell you what's lame:

1. The NSAC doctors examined him and found no proof of injury.

2. His own doctor said he was back to normal strength and that it was nothing out of the ordinary.

3. They said they needed more time IF HE PROVIDED AN MRI! They said after the doctors examined him, it was an EASY DECISION.

4. Arum said they informed NSAC in writing. HE LIED.

5. Pac's team said they told USADA about the injury. THEY LIED!

Looks like you conveniently left out the part about the NSAC doctors.

Arum said no injury, PAC said no injury, the doctor said no injury, NSAC said no injury....... now ADP02 says there was an injury. LMAO.

Anything else you need to know about this lying team with no damn injury? It was an excuse for being made into a sparring partner and you know it.

[travestyny]

Sorry but its Floyd that had those T/E ratios that looked su****ious.

Sorry but its Floyd that had been reported/rumored to have failed some tests.

Sorry but its Floyd that had used an illegal method without having a prior TUE approval. Got saved by his friend USADA ....

Sorry but its FLoyd that told YOU and you believed him that he was supposedly 100% ALL NATURAL .... now we know its a crock!!!



Yup, here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee had to say about the RETRO TUE. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.



WADA's TUE Expert on how athletes use & abuse TUE's:

https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/wa...use-abuse-tues

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.


"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY).

Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."


and as we ALL witnessed, Floyd was able to drink orally, not vomiting and not running to no restroom every 2 minutes .... I even have a video of him laughing it up as he leaves MGM saying that he needs to go to sportsbook (to delay some more) to bet on the basketball game"


In case you didn't know, here is Floyd drinking just before getting the IV





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Still writing novels but when it comes time for you to admit that Mayweather tried to fight Prime Pac....

DEFLECTION TIME.


Did you find out if EPO is a threshold substance yet? You gave up? Looks like your conspiracy theory is just as ****ty as the videos here. Come on. Been waiting for you to write me an essay about how EPO is measured by WADA labs as a threshold substance.

Don't tell me that the IV would be useless. Why... that would destroy your entire theory! Lol

[aboutfkntime]

Those same commentators had Castillo winning.... Oooops! That doesn't count? Then you rely on what others had to say. Right? Carry on ...


I thought you would come back with an analysis of round 3? Maybe you did. Did I miss it?

of course it counts you twat

Mayweather lost to Castillo, and Pac lost to Mayweather

simple

you ONLY had to watch those fights to come to that conclusion

[aboutfkntime]

Sorry but its Floyd that had those T/E ratios that looked su****ious.

Sorry but its Floyd that had been reported/rumored to have failed some tests.

Sorry but its Floyd that had used an illegal method without having a prior TUE approval. Got saved by his friend USADA ....

Sorry but its FLoyd that told YOU and you believed him that he was supposedly 100% ALL NATURAL .... now we know its a crock!!!



Yup, here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee had to say about the RETRO TUE. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.



WADA's TUE Expert on how athletes use & abuse TUE's:

https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/wa...use-abuse-tues

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.


"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY).

Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."


and as we ALL witnessed, Floyd was able to drink orally, not vomiting and not running to no restroom every 2 minutes .... I even have a video of him laughing it up as he leaves MGM saying that he needs to go to sportsbook (to delay some more) to bet on the basketball game"


In case you didn't know, here is Floyd drinking just before getting the IV





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once again, silly pac-tards should STFU about steroid abuse

you wouldn't know a dirty fighter if you stood in line for 5 hours waiting for his autograph

[Spoon23]

Those same commentators had Castillo winning.... Oooops! That doesn't count? Then you rely on what others had to say. Right? Carry on ...


I thought you would come back with an analysis of round 3? Maybe you did. Did I miss it?

No you didn't miss anything ADP02. Shoulder-roll, rolled off like a headless chicken and ran off to the nearest shelter. HAHAHA!

[Spoon23]

of course it counts you twat

Mayweather lost to Castillo, and Pac lost to Mayweather

simple

you ONLY had to watch those fights to come to that conclusion

3 fighters who defeated Floyd convincingly.

Pffffft undefeated my ass

[travestyny]

3 fighters who defeated Floyd convincingly.

Pffffft undefeated my ass

Castillo:

HBO's unofficial scorer Harold Lederman had Castillo winning 115-111, the Associated Press had Mayweather winning 115-111 and Dan Rafael of USA Today had the fight 114-114.


Maidana:
Tim Starks (The Queensberry Rules : 114-114 DRAW**

Scott Christ (Bad Leftt Hook) : 115-113 Mayweather

Barry Jones (Boxnation TV) : 117-111 Mayweather

Steve Lillis (Boxnation TV) : 116-113 Mayweather

John Wharton (KCC Boxing Show) : 114-114 DRAW**

Ron Lewis (The Times) : 116-114 Mayweather

Kevin Iole (Yahoo) : 115-113 Mayweather

Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing) : 115-113 Mayweather

Chris Mannix (Sports Illustrated) : 116-112 Mayweather

Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 115-113 Mayweather

Mike Coppinger (USA Today) : 115-113 Mayweather

Alex Morris (KTC Boxing) : 114-114 DRAW**

Ramon Aranda (3 More Rounds) : 115-113 Mayweather

Paul Webb (First Class Boxing) : 116-112 Mayweather

Cliff Rold (BoxingScene) : 114-114 DRAW**

Shaun Brown (Boxingscene) : 115-113 Mayweather

Steve Zemach (Queensberry Rules) : 114-114 DRAW**

Brian Campbell (ESPN) : 115-113 Mayweather

Michael Woods (The Sweet Science) : 117-113 Mayweather

All About Boxing : 114-114 DRAW**

Victor M Salazar (Tha Boxing Voice) : 115-113 MAIDANA***

Steve Kim (Maxboxing) : 115-113 Mayweather

Corey Quincy (FightersXchange) : 115-113 Mayweather

Asian Boxing : 115-113 MAIDANA***

Al Bernstein (Showtime TV) : 115-114 Mayweather

Steve Farhood (Showtime TV) : 115-113 Mayweather

Paulie Malignaggi (Showtime TV) : 115-114 Mayweather

Boxing Socialist : 115-113 Mayweather

The Heavy Bag : 115-113 MAIDANA***

Danny Winterbottom (Boxing News) : 117-113 Mayweather

Wolfgang Shiffbauer (Sturm Promotions) : 115-113 Mayweather

Paddy Cronan (OnTheGrindBoxing) : 117-111 Mayweather

Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 116-112 Mayweather

Matt Mojica (The Fight Source) : 115-113 Mayweather

Tris Dixon (Boxing News ED) : 117-112 Mayweather

Phil D Jay (World Boxing News) : 115-113 Mayweather

Steve Bunce (Boxnation TV) : 116-112 Mayweather

Pro Boxing Fans : 116-112 Mayweather

James Tonks (Ringnews 24) : 115-113 Mayweather

Boxing Mad ****zine : 115-113 Mayweather

Stevie J Adams (Boxing Mad ****zine) : 117-112 Mayweather

Nathan Fogg (Boxing News) : 116-112 Mayweather

The Boxing Advocaat : 116-112 Mayweather

Iconic Boxing : 115-113 Mayweather

Fight Insight : 115-113 Mayweather

Lou Dibella (Promoter) : 116-113 Mayweather

V2 Boxing : 116-113 Mayweather

Daniel Vano (***************) : 115-114 MAIDANA***

The Boxing Channel : 115-113 Mayweather

Check Left : 116-112 MAIDANA***

The Title Fight : 114-114 DRAW**

New Legend Boxing : 115-113 Mayweather

Ray Markarian (The Sweet Science) : 116-113 Mayweather

William Holmes (Boxing Insider) : 116-112 Mayweather

Danny Gonzalez (Tha Boxing Voice) : 115-113 MAIDANA***

Joel Sebastianelli (KO Digest) : 116-112 Mayweather

Ryan Bivins (SweetBoxing) : 116-112 Mayweather

Onthebeak Boxing : 115-114 Mayweather

Ring ****zine TV : 118-110 Mayweather

Max Kellerman (HBO TV) : 116-112 Mayweather

Jake Donovan (Boxingscene) : 115-113 Mayweather

Nacion Boxeo : 115-113 Mayweather

Josh McDaniel (Leave It The Ring Radio) : 116-113 Mayweather

Write On The Button : 115-113 Mayweather

Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) : 115-113 Mayweather

Fight Ghost : 115-113 Mayweather

The Cruelest Sport : 116-113 Mayweather

Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph) : 116-113 Mayweather

Tommy Allan (Boxing Asylum) : 115-113 Mayweather

Nigel Collins (ESPM FNFs) : 114-114 DRAW**

Ron Borges ( Boston Herald) : 115-114 Mayweather

NY Post : 115-113 Mayweather

The Sweet Science : 116-113 Mayweather

Leave It In The Ring Radio : 115-113 Mayweather

Associated Press : 115-113 Mayweather

ESPN.com : 115-113 Mayweather

Jeff Powell (The Mail) : 117-113 Mayweather

John Hoolan (Freelance) : 114-114 DRAW**

liam Hoppe (Eurosport) : 115-113 Mayweather

Ben Thompson (Fighthype) : 118-110 Mayweather

UK Fighthype : 117-111 Mayweather

TKO Radio : 115-115 DRAW**

Steve Carp (Las Vegas Review-Journal) : 116-112 Mayweather

S.I.com : 116-112 Mayweather

Ernest Gabion (BoxingScene) : 115-113 MAIDANA***

3 More Rounds : 115-113 Mayweather

Mike Sloan (Secondsout) : 117-111 Mayweather

John J Raspanti (Doghouseboxing) : 115-113 Mayweather

Anthony Larger (Bad Left Hook) : 115-113 MAIDANA***

Kevin Mitchell (The Guardian) : 116-114 Mayweather

Andy Paterson (************) : 115-113 Mayweather

ED Robinson (Sky Sports TV) : 115-113 Mayweather

John Evans (Live Fight) : 116-112 Mayweather

Aaron Richardson (************) : 115-113 Mayweather

Kasim Aslam (Global Boxing) : 115-113 Mayweather

Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) : 115-113 Mayweather

Tom Gray (Ring ****zine) : 115-113 Mayweather

Marcos Villegas (The Boxing Channel) : 116-113 Mayweather

Ciaran Gibbons (Freelance) : 117-114 Mayweather

Lee John Wyle (The Sweet Science) : 115-113 Mayweather

Mathew McEvoy (Forever Sports) : 116-113 Mayweather

John A MacDonald (Livefight) : 115-113 Mayweather

Agent One Sports : 115-113 Mayweather

Chris Davies (LCD Boxing) : 115-113 MAIDANA***

Paul Daley (TopClassBoxing) : 115-113 Mayweather

Boxing.com : 114-114 Draw**

Sam Sheppard (Queensberry Rules) : 116-112 Mayweather

Billy Ferguson (UK Fighthype) : 116-112 Mayweather

Ben Weisman (************) : 116-112 Mayweather

Kieran Mulvaney (ESPN) : 116-112 Mayweather

Andrew McKart (FirstClassBoxing) : 114-114 Draw


Keep dreaming.

[Spoon23]

no, I do not think that Pac tore his rotator cuff during that fight

* Pac did not mention that injury once, not to his corner, and not immediately following the fight.....

* Pac did not stop throwing his right following the 4th round

Well he did, does an injured runner who tore a ligament unable to run anymore? Off course he can still run, but not at 100%. Pac in his Flurry tore it. Look at this sequence below, he could have finished off Floyd right here, there was plenty of time left, but he strangely backed-off when he could have finished him right there. What people didn't realize after this, he was nursing a tear for the rest of the fight. He can still throw his right, but do you really expect it to still have the same bite as when it wasn't torn? He didn't tell his corner? Ah maybe coz it's televised and telling the world you are injured is like telling a shark you are easy prey. Don't you think Floyd's team won't smell that if Pac said in his corner he's injured. Boxing 101 kid, you don't tell your opponent your injured. You hide the pain, If you let them know you are, then you become an easy prey. Finding someone's weakness and exploiting it is part of the game.


Pac's explanation.


@ 2:57:" I was disappointing with myself (throwing barrages on Floyd on the 4th round) because he was leaning on the ropes and I was attacking him, starting my pressure to him, but when I threw my hand I feel like I cut my hands. I feel like I didn't have my right hand. "

After a Flurry he backed off, this is when he tore it.







@ 1:33 -1:42 Pac Flurries and strangely stops the onslaught. He could have finished Floyd right there.