Best Boxers Ever - British or American?

[fatmash]

Looking for a heated debate here, so let me know what your thoughts are.

I myself are for the British side and here is my reasons.

Most American Fighters are nothing more than hyped up thugs that probably have a criminal record longer than Don Kings list of dodgy dealings.

Here are my views on past fights, which are factual and unbiased in their entirety.

Cooper vs Ali
Anyone who witnessed the Henry Cooper VS Mohamed Ali fight knows that Ali was gone after Henry dropped the famous 'henry's hammer' on ali's chin. Ali's corner cheated by tampering with his gloves so he got time to get his head right, atleast a good 6-7 minutes. Had Ali's corner not cheated im sure the great Mohammed Ali's career would have taken a different path.

Lewis VS Tyson
Granted Tyson was robbed of his best years but for all the hype the American promoters put on this fight, a supposed superior Tyson was battered mercilessly by a superb and intelligent Lewis.

Lewis VS Hasbeen Rackham
First fight Lewis was overconfident, didnt climatise, and lost because of it. On the rematch Lewis shown the American public in their own backyard how good their best truly was.

Calzaghe VS Mitchell
Reported at being the hardest hitting fighter in the division at the time, Mitchell drops Calzaghe with a fine hook. Calzaghe goes down for the first time in his career. 90 seconds later Mitchell is beaten and his head is swollen to the size of a football (soccer ball for you yanks) after recieving near 50 direct hard hitting hits to the head in a spectacular flurry of punches from the excellent Calzaghe. Like a true champion, Calzaghe got up and shown us the heart of a british boxer.

Calzaghe VS Lacy
Seriously what the hell did think would happen here?
When you talk like a ***** you get slapped like a *****. And thats what happened. Calzaghe slapped Lacy silly all the way to hospital and has damaged Lacy's career indefinatley.

Williams VS Tyson
Not really a great fight, just hillarious that Williams made Tyson look more of a bum than he already was.



So the next big fight that people are talking about is HATTON vs MAYWEATHER.
In all honesty bet your life savings on a Hatton win. He is like a pitbull - he will keep attacking and attacking and will NEVER give up. A quality your American boxers lack.
Hatton will destroy Mayweather and possibly end his career, just like Calzaghe has done to the supposed undefeatable Lacy.
Mayweather is fast but thats all he has. Wait till Hatton smacks him in the gut and your pretty boy will cry like a little girl.
If and when Mayweather stops dodging Hatton and a fight actually materialises be prepared to witness the destruction of one of 'your' great fighters.

The sad thing is that alot of these American boxers could be great with the right people around them. The problem is they believe all the bull**** their fed so when it doesnt go right in the ring, they lose heart.

LEWIS - Beat every man he ever stepped in the ring with
HATTON - Undefeated in 40+ fights
CALZAGHE - Undefeated in 40+ fights
(+ because theres gonna be more)


Its time you acknowledge the superior British fighters are undoubtedly the best in the world.

P.S

Watch out for Amir Khan...

[El Guapo]

Looking for a heated debate here, so let me know what your thoughts are.

I myself are for the British side and here is my reasons.

Most American Fighters are nothing more than hyped up thugs that probably have a criminal record longer than Don Kings list of dodgy dealings.

Here are my views on past fights, which are factual and unbiased in their entirety.

Cooper vs Ali
Anyone who witnessed the Henry Cooper VS Mohamed Ali fight knows that Ali was gone after Henry dropped the famous 'henry's hammer' on ali's chin. Ali's corner cheated by tampering with his gloves so he got time to get his head right, atleast a good 6-7 minutes. Had Ali's corner not cheated im sure the great Mohammed Ali's career would have taken a different path.

Lewis VS Tyson
Granted Tyson was robbed of his best years but for all the hype the American promoters put on this fight, a supposed superior Tyson was battered mercilessly by a superb and intelligent Lewis.

Lewis VS Hasbeen Rackham
First fight Lewis was overconfident, didnt climatise, and lost because of it. On the rematch Lewis shown the American public in their own backyard how good their best truly was.

Calzaghe VS Mitchell
Reported at being the hardest hitting fighter in the division at the time, Mitchell drops Calzaghe with a fine hook. Calzaghe goes down for the first time in his career. 90 seconds later Mitchell is beaten and his head is swollen to the size of a football (soccer ball for you yanks) after recieving near 50 direct hard hitting hits to the head in a spectacular flurry of punches from the excellent Calzaghe. Like a true champion, Calzaghe got up and shown us the heart of a british boxer.

Calzaghe VS Lacy
Seriously what the hell did think would happen here?
When you talk like a ***** you get slapped like a *****. And thats what happened. Calzaghe slapped Lacy silly all the way to hospital and has damaged Lacy's career indefinatley.

Williams VS Tyson
Not really a great fight, just hillarious that Williams made Tyson look more of a bum than he already was.



So the next big fight that people are talking about is HATTON vs MAYWEATHER.
In all honesty bet your life savings on a Hatton win. He is like a pitbull - he will keep attacking and attacking and will NEVER give up. A quality your American boxers lack.
Hatton will destroy Mayweather and possibly end his career, just like Calzaghe has done to the supposed undefeatable Lacy.
Mayweather is fast but thats all he has. Wait till Hatton smacks him in the gut and your pretty boy will cry like a little girl.
If and when Mayweather stops dodging Hatton and a fight actually materialises be prepared to witness the destruction of one of 'your' great fighters.

The sad thing is that alot of these American boxers could be great with the right people around them. The problem is they believe all the bull**** their fed so when it doesnt go right in the ring, they lose heart.

LEWIS - Beat every man he ever stepped in the ring with
HATTON - Undefeated in 40+ fights
CALZAGHE - Undefeated in 40+ fights
(+ because theres gonna be more)


Its time you acknowledge the superior British fighters are undoubtedly the best in the world.

P.S

Watch out for Amir Khan...

you know, i think your right!

[K-DOGG]

Looking for a heated debate here, so let me know what your thoughts are.

I myself are for the British side and here is my reasons.

Most American Fighters are nothing more than hyped up thugs that probably have a criminal record longer than Don Kings list of dodgy dealings.

Here are my views on past fights, which are factual and unbiased in their entirety.

Cooper vs Ali
Anyone who witnessed the Henry Cooper VS Mohamed Ali fight knows that Ali was gone after Henry dropped the famous 'henry's hammer' on ali's chin. Ali's corner cheated by tampering with his gloves so he got time to get his head right, atleast a good 6-7 minutes. Had Ali's corner not cheated im sure the great Mohammed Ali's career would have taken a different path.

Lewis VS Tyson
Granted Tyson was robbed of his best years but for all the hype the American promoters put on this fight, a supposed superior Tyson was battered mercilessly by a superb and intelligent Lewis.

Lewis VS Hasbeen Rackham
First fight Lewis was overconfident, didnt climatise, and lost because of it. On the rematch Lewis shown the American public in their own backyard how good their best truly was.

Calzaghe VS Mitchell
Reported at being the hardest hitting fighter in the division at the time, Mitchell drops Calzaghe with a fine hook. Calzaghe goes down for the first time in his career. 90 seconds later Mitchell is beaten and his head is swollen to the size of a football (soccer ball for you yanks) after recieving near 50 direct hard hitting hits to the head in a spectacular flurry of punches from the excellent Calzaghe. Like a true champion, Calzaghe got up and shown us the heart of a british boxer.

Calzaghe VS Lacy
Seriously what the hell did think would happen here?
When you talk like a ***** you get slapped like a *****. And thats what happened. Calzaghe slapped Lacy silly all the way to hospital and has damaged Lacy's career indefinatley.

Williams VS Tyson
Not really a great fight, just hillarious that Williams made Tyson look more of a bum than he already was.



So the next big fight that people are talking about is HATTON vs MAYWEATHER.
In all honesty bet your life savings on a Hatton win. He is like a pitbull - he will keep attacking and attacking and will NEVER give up. A quality your American boxers lack.
Hatton will destroy Mayweather and possibly end his career, just like Calzaghe has done to the supposed undefeatable Lacy.
Mayweather is fast but thats all he has. Wait till Hatton smacks him in the gut and your pretty boy will cry like a little girl.
If and when Mayweather stops dodging Hatton and a fight actually materialises be prepared to witness the destruction of one of 'your' great fighters.

The sad thing is that alot of these American boxers could be great with the right people around them. The problem is they believe all the bull**** their fed so when it doesnt go right in the ring, they lose heart.

LEWIS - Beat every man he ever stepped in the ring with
HATTON - Undefeated in 40+ fights
CALZAGHE - Undefeated in 40+ fights
(+ because theres gonna be more)


Its time you acknowledge the superior British fighters are undoubtedly the best in the world.

P.S

Watch out for Amir Khan...

Interesting. I have to give you your props for citing the overhyping of many American fighters. Calzaghe-Lacy is a very good example of a true pro not gettting the credit he deserved and ended up doing his talking in the ring against a more unproven fighter.

I don't think anyone ever thought Rahman was better than Lewis as much as people just thought Lewis took him lightly and got caught. No one really knew what to expect in the rematch...and Lewis proved his greatness.

Now, all of that being said, I don't think the Williams-Tyson or Lewis-Tyson citations are fair examples seeing as how Tyson was well past it by the time he met both men. Also, God Bless Henry Cooper because he gave you guys something to talk about; but the reality is Ali beat him twice and only had about 5 extra seconds in the corner due to the split glove....so, the knock down was a nice flash...but proof of nothing more than Ali being suceptable to left hooks, of which Cooper had a good one.

[dangerous dave]

God Bless Henry Cooper because he gave you guys something to talk about; but the reality is Ali beat him twice and only had about 5 extra seconds in the corner due to the split glove....so, the knock down was a nice flash...but proof of nothing more than Ali being suceptable to left hooks, of which Cooper had a good one.

It was a seriously long time and it has been revealed that this was a tactic for regaining Alis senses as he was gone (i've got 50 ali fights on dvd)

[Oasis_Lad]

well im britsh but america has ali louis robinson foreman hagler and leonard
so enough said but i do think calzaghe is criminally underated

[K-DOGG]

It was a seriously long time and it has been revealed that this was a tactic for regaining Alis senses as he was gone (i've got 50 ali fights on dvd)

From what I've read, it was only about a 5 second delay. Unfortuately, I no longer have a copy...damn VCR ate it a few years ago....or I'd verify, if they kept it betwen rounds, don't remember, to be honest. But I've read it more than once, that it wasn't as long as history makes it out to be.

DO you have that fight and do you have the footage between rounds?

[dangerous dave]

From what I've read, it was only about a 5 second delay. Unfortuately, I no longer have a copy...damn VCR ate it a few years ago....or I'd verify, if they kept it betwen rounds, don't remember, to be honest. But I've read it more than once, that it wasn't as long as history makes it out to be.

DO you have that fight and do you have the footage between rounds?

I can't remember exactly how long it was. Im pretty sure it was into minuates extra though. In no way am I suggesting Ali would lose though but this obviously helped.

[Rockin']

Please. Is this a serious thread or another...... is it april first already?

Rockin'

[Rockin']

How about remembering Colin Jones against Donal Curry. Jones did put a good effort in against McCrory. I always had alot of respect for Colin Jones. At that young age I watched as he wept in the corner with his nose busted in half, gushing blood. It was the first time i saw a man cry and respected him for it as the announcer told us that it was likely Jones' last shot at the crown. He was a tough guy.


Rockin'

[Heckler]

So let me see you are discrediting Muhammad Ali on the basis that he dropped cassius clay in whom was only 22 and not physically mature nor at his prime. **** id pick a 75 Ali over a 63 ali. He hadn't honed his skills nor filled out in 63 and if you disagree i suggest you do a little bit more watching/reading. He also held back from stopping cooper and started clowning in order to drag the fight on and stop him in the 5th as per his prediction. It was a valiant performance by Henry Cooper, and he was a tough character. But i think its inevitable that Ali would of claimed the HW title at some stage even if he DID loose against Cooper

also: "One of the myths that has surrounded the Cooper fight concerns what happened in Clay’s corner between the fourth and fifth rounds. Clay’s right glove had a slight tear in it. According to legend, Clay’s trainer Angelo Dundee intentionally made the tear bigger, then informed referee Tommy Little that the glove needed to be changed. Little sent a steward to find another set of gloves for Clay; by the time the new set of gloves was brought in for Clay from the far side of the huge arena, three or four minutes had elapsed. More than enough time for Clay to have his wits about him prior to the start of round five.

I remember hearing this legend repeated as I was growing up and I believed it ... until I actually watched the film of the fight. The film doesn’t lie, or even exaggerate a little. The time that actually lapsed between rounds was between 65 and 70 seconds. That’s it. Dundee did bring Little over to inspect the glove. Apparently, it was determined that the glove didn’t need to be changed because when the bell rang for the fifth round, Clay still had the same right glove on."

"Depending on who's version of events you believe, the interval between rounds four and five was anything from two to six minutes in duration. It has been timed officially as 65 seconds. Yes, that's right, just five seconds longer than it should have been. Myth exploded!" - Jeff Day



Its ridiculous to say that british boxers are better then american. A quick look at boxing history and we will find this.

Jack Johnson
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Rocky Marciano
Sugar Ray Robinson
" " leonard
Joe Louis
Jack Dempsey
Thomas hearns
Joe Gans
Ezzard Charles
Floyd Patterson - All American boxers, the list could go on quite easily.