General Thoughts On Froch Groves.

[- Ram Raid -]

I showed that video as froch dirrell was a close fight that most experts had froch winning. I was there live and scored ot 4 rounds to froch as dirrells best round was a deducted point in the 11th. Perfectly fair scoring.


As for the shot by shot talk through if you though they were not landing shots even in the slow mo then what ever. That is subjective.

However whats not subjective is groves not protecting himself at all times. And that's the key, hes taken major punishment and the ref just seen him land a hook and a right hand and then duck, arms down, facing wrong way. This is not some urban folk law, this is fact. He was out.

Protect yourself at all times, froch threw two "pulled2 body shots after but because the ref caught the foetal groves he held back.

As I say its a moral debate rather than a boxing debate. How much destruction of groves career do you want to see. In your case you wanted to see him layed out. Ill assume anyway.

You showed that video because, to quote: "this American agreeswith me". But he didn't agree with you. He had it 115-114, not Froch winning by 4 rounds. That isn't a man who is in agreement with you. This is the crux of the issue.

You claim he was out, you claim that he wasn't protecting himself before the ref yelled "stop", you claim before he went to the ropes he was wobbled and holding not slipping a right hand in the middle of the ring, you claim there was a barrage of unanswered shots when he fired back five of his own, you claim that American agrees with you about the Dirrell fight.

You're making these claims and then what you're citing to support them not only doesn't back them up but completely contradicts the claims that you are making. No amount of the use of the word 'fact' is going change that.

[- Ram Raid -]

Jesus you're so bias... any boxing fan that watched that video in slow motion can tell those were damaging shots and that thge stoppage was in fact a good one

Of course there was damaging shots, I'm not dis*****g that. Froch caught him with some solid blows, that's why he was buzzed. Slim was stating that Groves was hit with 6 unanswered shots and that isn't the case.

[CJ.]

Groves was clearly winning when the ref stepped in. I gave Froch one round at best and one drawn. The rest was all Groves.

Froch may have stopped Groves, we'll never know because the ref never gave Groves the chance to fight his way out

[CraigM]

Jesus you're so bias... any boxing fan that watched that video in slow motion can tell those were damaging shots and that thge stoppage was in fact a good one

I really don't like it when people say things like this to validate their own point to themselves instead of admitting they are in the minority with a belief.

Even in slow motion I cannot see a reason to stop the fight, sure he took some good shots, but its boxing, you get hit.

If it was a good stoppage there wouldn't be all this commotion.

[mrbigshot]

they have removed it, but froch lands 5/6 shots unanswered. That is fact.

THE last two punches are really telling, froch lands a hook which kncoks groves haead 360, and ala bute style as groves gets caught with a right hand when he corrects his head. Before that froch had landed 3/4 shots on the ropes, and prior to that groves was holding as he got wobbled.

you have to defend yourself at all times. iTS A SHAME THEY REMOVED IT because the 40.40 mark really shows groves back turned, not knowing where he is, arms down his side and head tucked in. There was 1.30 left in the fact.

if YOU follow correct criteria the ref had every right to stop the fight going by the protocols. And it made it even more apparent when groves could barely stand.

even naseem explains it best and he doesn't have the beauty of having the reply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkb3K9-uDJw

wow how does froch's pin d1ck taste like?????

[taansend]

this American agreeswith me as did many stewart, graham hoston, allan green, dan Rafael, jimmy iowel, steve bunce, and even Jim watt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWNh7QjoKo

So its irrelevant if im a froch fan, I describing the video and events factually accurate as its for all to see.

Mate, I'm also a Froch fan. Have been since before he turned pro, but you're blinded by your love of Froch. I don't mean that as an insult in any way. I've seen it many times with many fans of many fighters over the years.

I had the Froch Dirrell fight a draw DESPITE watching it on Showtime with the worst commentary I've ever heard (yes, worse than Jim Watt). A narrow win either way is fair enough. No way did Froch win 8 or 9 rounds though - as you've claimed.

Hopefully Froch & Groves will meet again. Would be a cracking fight at the Forest ground in May. I had a very strong feeling that Groves would perform better than expected. Not sure what we'll get in the rematch. Froch is getting older but he'd be more prepared for Groves speed & power in the rematch (he'll ALWAYS have trouble with speedy boxers though). I doubt he'll get decked early again. Groves should be stronger from the experience but he needs to box more & fight less (easier said than done against Carl).

If Carl doesn't take the rematch his legacy will be tarnished - unless he somehow gets Ward to leave the safety of US shores. And maybe Ward might do that after last weekends performance.

[LacedUp]

Don't get what the hate about Jim Watt is about. He's a great commentator who calls it like it is.

I like Froch as much as the next guy, but I thought Jim Watt called it perfectly when he said he didn't like Froch's attitude in the build-up and he'd taken that into the fight.

Plain and simple, Froch got outclassed and was on the receiving end of a lucky stoppage. The more I watch it the more disgusted I am.

[Weltschmerz]

The stoppage was a disgrace. Fight was rigged.

[CJ.]

The stoppage was a disgrace. Fight was rigged.

Makes you think doesn't it?

"Hey guys, how's about a nice controversial decision first time around to spark a rematch and few more million quid? Easily done and nobody the wiser"

Very dodgy stoppage

[Weltschmerz]

Makes you think doesn't it?

"Hey guys, how's about a nice controversial decision first time around to spark a rematch and few more million quid? Easily done and nobody the wiser"

Very dodgy stoppage

As we know, boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world.