North vs South: John Murray vs Kevin Mitchell Official Thread

[The Surgeon]

1million points on John Murray, takers? Also a million on Burns over Cook too

[leppard365]

any news on the weight in? wat time will this fight start?

[VERILY]

Mitchell in any form beats Murray, imo.

He's better.

He should never have lost to Katsidis either. The bloke needs a kick up the arse.

You have trouble dealing with reality, anyone who thought that should be a certain win for Kev was a fool - Katsidis is a legitimate beast of a contender whose L's came only to some of the very best around at the times he took them. Mitchell isn't on the skill-level of a JMM (just compare their respective efforts to fight off the ropes against Mike), nor does he possess the physical attributes of a Guerrero...plus, he wasn't prepared, not just that one camp, but his whole résumé up to that point didn't prepare him for Katsidis.

[Sparked_1985]

You have trouble dealing with reality, anyone who thought that should be a certain win for Kev was a fool - Katsidis is a legitimate beast of a contender whose L's came only to some of the very best around at the times he took them. Mitchell isn't on the skill-level of a JMM (just compare their respective efforts to fight off the ropes against Mike), nor does he possess the physical attributes of a Guerrero...plus, he wasn't prepared, not just that one camp, but his whole résumé up to that point didn't prepare him for Katsidis.

Where did I say a certain win?

Oh yeah, nowhere.

I base my opinion on whom would I rather be in any given fight. I'd rather be a focussed Kevin Mitchell than a battle-worn Michael Katsidis. Mitchell is/was the sharper fighter with a greater range of punches, better sense of distance and the ability counter effectively which I thought would be key against a very aggressive fighter like Katsidis. Kevin never should have went into that fight under prepared and mentally up-in-the-air.

Kats effectively used his physicality to break down Mitchell. Even then Mitchell still showed in fits and starts what he could do. Outboxing Kats in the 2nd round and actually looking pretty good. Katsidis is a hard, hard man who has campaigned at a far higher level than Kevin - he caught Kevin and closed the show - job done

But how anybody could glean that Kevin Mitchell is inferior to Michael Katsidis even from that fight is something I can't fathom.

If Mitchell beats Murray and gets in with Katsidis. I'd pick him to win - again.

[VERILY]

Where did I say a certain win?

Oh yeah, nowhere.

"He should never have lost to Katsidis either."

^^ What does that imply?

"HE. SHOULD. NEVER. HAVE. LOST". Umm, duhhh. That means you think there's no way he shouldn't have won. I'll take your words at face value when delivered so blandly, rather than just assume you exaggerated for effect when it isn't obvious.


Yeah, I remember your comments before the fight (think I actually responded to you) and remember expressing that I'd rather be Katsidis coming into it. Katsidis wasn't battle-worn, he was battle-hardened, a better fighter than the version who came over and fought Earl, and Mitchell's overall body of work hadn't prepared him for the intensity and overall quality Mike would bring.


I called it before the fight on here - Mitchell's CV up to that point hadn't prepared him for a guy of Katsidis' quality and Katsidis was being bizarrely underestimated.


Those qualities you list in Mitchell, he possesses, but not in the refinement you're making out. He's good at those things, but not very good at world level. An elite, reasonably agile, hard-counter-punching technician and master of range in Marquez had to use everything he had to diffuse that bomb and took some lumps doing it - think Mitchell's on Marquez' skill-level? Think again, go watch Marquez-Katsidis.
A better structured run of comp on the way up would've helped sharpen the skills Mitchell did possess (which were still relatively raw at the time of meeting Katsidis) and prepared him better for a guy of Mike's quality - all through '07 and '08 I criticized the way Kev was being brought on, and that criticism was vindicated by the swift, devastating manner of the Katsidis defeat. I don't buy the personal problems/poor camp lines so much. Quality of coaching in the UK is something I also believe to be an issue, when it comes to a fighter like Mitchell, but that's another matter.

FWIW, even in round 2, there were signs that Mitchell would be consumed. He got demolished, fact - you can talk about him edging one round, but he didn't even last three of 'em.



"But how anybody could glean that Kevin Mitchell is inferior to Michael Katsidis even from that fight is something I can't fathom.",

Then you're being silly and haven't realized that intangibles are as crucial as technical skills in this sport, which is a big part of why Katsidis is a better fighter than Mitchell and will very likely be remembered as the better fighter in History. Katsidis isn't exactly unskilled, anyway, that's a popular myth - if physicality is all it takes to beat Mitchell, then Murray should beat him, too, because he's big at the weight - except he has to actually impose that physicality to make it count, which Katsidis had the ability to do.



BUT Murray's Ring rating is a joke, he's no Mike Katsidis-level blend of physicality/skill/power/intensity, so I agree that even an off-colour version of Mitchell should beat him, however well prepared and conditioned Murray comes - Mitchell is just that much better technically and Murray is just that unremarkable in what he does.


My only reservation is that I have nothing to guage where Mitchell's at, except the bad reports we're hearing.

I do know that a continually unfocused, undisciplined attitude plus self-abuse can only lead to significant deterioration in your abilities. It's been over a year since we last saw him fight, and he spent half of that in the pub/farming cannabis (appaz) - wouldn't surprise me if he'd been blowing white up his nose, either. So who knows.





He beats Murray and you'd pick him over Katsidis again without hesitation, despite what you should have learned by now? I mean, I know you're a London boy and Kev's a London boy and yadda yadda, but that's just flim-flam.

[Money_May]

I'll take that bet.

Done bro good luck!

[FloydTBE]

less than 24 hours now haha , kev by UD

[VERILY]

less than 24 hours now haha , kev by UD

I'm gonna pick him to knock Murray out and hopefully silence that annoying harridan drearily braying "Gwaaahn Johhhhn!" over and over again on a loop.


To describe Murray as a meat and potatoes fighter is to pay him too high a compliment. He's more like a stodgy gruel and stale bread fighter. He at least consistently works the body and has some stamina, but he's ponderous for a lightweight, his footwork is poor, his head doesn't move, his technique is dreadful, his punches are wide. Kevin is way superior in almost every department.


To sum up, Mitchell has no business losing to this slug. None at all.

[FloydTBE]

I'm gonna pick him to knock Murray out and hopefully silence that annoying harridan drearily braying "Gwaaahn Johhhhn!" over and over again on a loop.


To describe Murray as a meat and potatoes fighter is to pay him too high a compliment. He's more like a stodgy gruel and stale bread fighter. He at least consistently works the body and has some stamina, but he's ponderous for a lightweight, his footwork is poor, his head doesn't move, his technique is dreadful, his punches are wide. Kevin is way superior in almost every department.


To sum up, Mitchell has no business losing to this slug. None at all.

Agreed. murray is way overrated, hes been fighting bum after bum tbh. i really hope kev is in good shape n he comes with a 12 round gameplan, if he boxes sensible, he could get the KO win late on

[steeluv]

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i believe Kevin mitchell will win most of the early rounds out boxing him, however i think at times Murray will get in some sneaky body shots, Im not sure what will happen in the championship rounds, either mitchell slows down and get's KO'd or he manages to hold on, this will be a test for mitchell see if he has the endurance and survival skills necessary a bit like khan had vs maidana (im not saying they are at the same level). If I was to predict Id go for Mitchell with a tough win on points.