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Originally posted by Runw/knivesI think RJJ would give Valuev hell in a heavyweight fight. His akwardness would blind him. Jones would exploit the fact that he is slow and ******ed.
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Originally posted by barryboyDon't be silly he makes Vitali look like Roy Jones! the guy pushes his punches, there's no real snap on them & he IS slow
Roy Jones and Klitchko are antipodes lol
Vitali didn’t floored Corrie while Corrie was fat, overraged (that’s not good for boxer) and did almost nothing for his own defense (and after 1st when he almost defeated Vitali he didn’t even attack).
And if Hasim will not be fat like in the bouts with Tua (2th) or Ruiz and will do all that he have been usually doing in the ring in the late 90-ies he will clear soon who of us is right
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I didn't get all of that but anyway It basically comes down to size & he is physically too big to be a quick, technical sort of guy so he'll have to rely on his punch, the problem with that is he doesn't appear to hit with a lot of POWER but he does hit with a lot of WEIGHT & this is what has been beating the lower tier guys he's been fighting, size & weight but saying that he'll be a hard task for anybody simply because of his size which let's be honest is his biggest assett but I would back any of the top ten guys to beat him right now except maybe Byrd who is slowing down big time. Valuev's had about 40 fights? I'd think if he was going to improve greatly he'd have done it by now.
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I think its hard to say how good he actually is.. as although he has had 40 fights he hasn't really fought any one of note in terms of world class opposition. Have to agree with Barryboy, he is slow and isn't a power puncher, he is a HEAVY puncher though(not suprisingly). It will be interesting to see how he does against the better heavyweights out there who possess decent speed and power.
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Originally posted by barryboyI didn't get all of that but anyway It basically comes down to size & he is physically too big to be a quick, technical sort of guy so he'll have to rely on his punch, the problem with that is he doesn't appear to hit with a lot of POWER but he does hit with a lot of WEIGHT & this is what has been beating the lower tier guys he's been fighting, size & weight but saying that he'll be a hard task for anybody simply because of his size which let's be honest is his biggest assett but I would back any of the top ten guys to beat him right now except maybe Byrd who is slowing down big time. Valuev's had about 40 fights? I'd think if he was going to improve greatly he'd have done it by now.
I agree that he doesn’t hit with his whole power yet. But your phrase is static but Niko’s condition is a dynamic one.
His previous opponents were not perfect but first it’s not only Valuev who has the business with punching bags – it’s the illness of the whole heavyweight division, second,as i said yet, management is not the boxing skill and third – no one of his opponents could hurt him, like it was with such as Wladimir Klitchko who was blowed away by phlegmatic Purity. Interesting moment: Atilla Levin won the fight against Purity. And Purity is same Purity that was 20 years ago
Of cource, his size is his biggest asset. Along with the love to work. But it’s a heavyweight. Let’s look at the top of the division: size is the biggest asset of them all except Byrd, Toney and Peter who is a puncher. For example decrease the size of Rahman by 10 percent and he wouldn’t be at the top. But the successes of the other toppers are even more based on the size than Hasim’s.
Yes, this is the right thought but it’s a life, and things happen when its happen. The process is going now.
Valuev’s skills are worse than the same of Byrd, Toney, Rahman, Brewster, Peter, Oquendo, Barrett now. But his skills are better than Mccline’s, Klitchko’s, Golota’s yet.Last edited by Diricul; 04-01-2005, 03:31 AM.
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Originally posted by kingmoI think its hard to say how good he actually is.. as although he has had 40 fights he hasn't really fought any one of note in terms of world class opposition. Have to agree with Barryboy, he is slow and isn't a power puncher, he is a HEAVY puncher though(not suprisingly). It will be interesting to see how he does against the better heavyweights out there who possess decent speed and power.
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Originally posted by DiriculValuev’s skills are worse than the same of Byrd, Toney, Rahman, Brewster, Peter, Oquendo, Barrett now. But his skills are better than Mccline’s, Klitchko’s, Golota’s yet.
I loved this bit though
"I agree that he doesn’t hit with his whole power yet. But your phrase is static but Niko’s condition is a dynamic one".
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Originally posted by barryboyI have to disagree with the last bit there mate those last 3 guys are all more talented than Valuev, McCline has good pedigree, he sparred with most of the top heavyweights over the past few years including Lennox & has good skills, like Wlad both those guys are a bit suspect (chin, mentality?)but less talented than Valuev? I have to disagree.
Pedigreed moves and talent aren't equal. Do you accept it? Yes, Jameel sparred with skillful guys but it’s an experience not talent. May be you heard that Valuev has big problems with sparring patners. Even now. That’s why Nikolay spent so many years in boxing and still has so much to improve. May be when Nikolay will have the same experience that Jameel does he will be more pedigreed than McCline.
Valuev thinks in the ring and he does it better day by day. He learns to solve fighting tasks. I never saw McCline solving non-linear tasks.
Did you see the bout versus Etienne?
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