Who's Number 1: "Greatest Almost Upsets"

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"Greatest Almost Upsets"

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to "Who's Number 1". I'm your host, butterfly1964. Many fights happen sort of strangely. You would think it would be a blowout, but the underdog actually puts up a good fight, even on the brink of victory. But in the end, he just can't pull it off and the favorite wins the fight in the end. It all adds up to a pretty exciting bout. Here is the 20 greatest "almost" upsets of all-time.










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20. Ali-Mildenberger: On September 10, 1966, Undefeated heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali concluded his European tour in Frankfurt, Germany fighting 10-1 underdog karl Mildenberger. Mildenburger who was an awkward southpaw was seen to be a sitting duck to Ali, who had knocked Sonny liston out in one round, and toyed with former champion Floyd Patterson. However, the German with a heart bigger than his punch went after the champion and gave him a rough fight.

Ali closed up I think both his eyes, and everytime he seemed to have him ready to go, Midenberger would come back.

Ali had his man hurt as early as the fourth round, but round after round went by, and he was still standing, even after being floored once in the fifth and once in the eighth. Occasionally, Mildenberger would score with left hooks that would hurt Ali. In the tenth round, Mildenberger hit Ali to a left hook to the body, and Ali doubled over in pain.

Oh, that's a good left hook, and it really hurt the champion!

The crowd at Waldstadion was on the edge of their seats, hoping Mildenberger would finish the job. But the champion showed his resiliency and came back in the same round with a counter right hand that sent Mildenberger crumbling to the canvas! Finally Ali put an end to the whole thing in the twelvth, by a right hand that sent the bloody Karl staggering against the ropes, prompting Teddy Waltham to stop the fight.

For a long time after, Ali claimed that Mildenberger was his toughest opponent.

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19. Dempsey-Brennan II: On December 14, 1920, heavyweight Champion jack Dempsey resumed hostilities with billbrennan, who previously fought Dempsey before he was champion.

Dempsey had one year before hammered Jess Willard to the canvas, and Brennan suffered a terrible beating to Dempsey just two years prior.

However, in the second round, brennan hurt Dempsey withtwo vicious uppercuts, and it seemed that the Manassah Mauler was in serious trouble. However, Dempsey recovered and squeeked out a late knockout in round twelve.

Dempsey had the heart of a lion, I mean he was gonna do anything thing to win, no matter what.

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18. Robinson-Doyle: On June 24, 1947, Welterweight champion Sugar Ray Robinson took on Jimmy Doyle.

Robinson was winning the fight easy in the first five rounds, but in the sixth, Sugar was rocked by vicious combinations.

I thnk Ray Robinson may have been enraged by that, because he went after him, and in the end it was tragic.

Robinson caught Doyle with a strong left hook, which layed him out. Doyle slipped into a coma and died the next day.[/quote]

Robinson after the fight fought charity fights to raise money for Doyle's family. he was a really nice guy.

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After Rooney left, that started the decline of Mike Tyson.

17. Tyson-Bruno I: On February 25, 1989, undefeated heavyweight champion Mike Tyson took on leading contender Frank Bruno. After tyson demolished Spinks in one round, few people expected mike to have much trouble. But the six foot four, 230lb. Bruno had other plans.

Tyson decks Frank early in the first round, and many people think it's going to be an early knockout. however, Bruno gets up, and in that same round, he rocks Tyson against the ropes.

I was watching in disbelief, as Bruno teed off on him.

Bruno throughout the fight was giving a good account of himself. However, Tyson came on strong in the fifth and rocked bruno with smashing uppercuts that prompted Referee Richard steele to stop the fight.










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This is where the idea for the "Rocky" movies came from.

16. Ali-Wepner: On March 24, 1975, heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali took on the Bayonne Bleeder, Chuck Wepner. Ali who had just came off an eighth round knockout to the human wrecking ball George Foreman was expected to make short work of his adversary. However, the challenger showed heart and chin that kept him into the fight. Despite Ali hitting him at will, Wepner was still standing.

In the ninth round, Ali went down from a right hand shot to the body. Ali got up quickly, but many people were gunning for a major upset, as Wepner continued to carry the fight to Ali.

However, Ali got back down to business and ended the fight, rocking Chuck with vicious shots to the head, and managed to squeek out a last minute knockout in the fifteenth round.










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15. Frazier-Stander: On May 25, 1972, Undefeated heavyweight champion Joe Frazier took on Ron Stander from Omaha. Stander, who was lightly regarded fought the fight of his life.

Stander was a lightly regarded opponent, and Frazier was a heavy favorite.

However, Stander carried the fight to frazier. He never stopped coming in, and in the third round, rocked Frazier in close!

He continued to press the action on Frazier in the fourth, and the hometown crowd sensed that this was history! But, Frazier got back on top of things in the end of the fourth, and in the fifth, Joe battered his foe, and the referee stopped the fight.

This was a forte of things to come in Frazier's next fight against a man named George Foreman!

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That was one of the nasties cuts I've ever seen in my life!

14. Lewis-Klitschko: On June 21, 2003, three time heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis took on leading contender Vitali Klitschko. Lewis was coming off a knockout win of Mike Tyson.

Klitchko gave him a boxing lesson. Lewis did not look good. He was showing his age. He lumbered, he labored, and Vitali was winning the fight easy. But Lewis' jab was tking a toll on Klitschko's left eye.

Klitschko won over the crowd outmanuvering the sluggish champion, but he obtained a cut eye early. Lewis worked on the eye so much, that by the sixth round, it was gushing blood, and Lou Moret the referee stoped the fight. Lewis would retire after this fight, becoming the first heavyweight in 47 years since Rocky Marciano to go out on top.










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13. Johnson-Ketchel: On October 16, 1909, heavyweight champion Jack Johnson took on middleweight king Stanley Ketchel.

This was sort of a business deal. The idea was to carry the fight to the distance so it would be ruled a draw. This would allow for a bid gate for a rematch.

However, Ketchel always the opportunist wanted to cash his bet right away. After being floored once in the sixth, and being battered around the ring, Ketchel lashed out with a terrific rght to the head which sent Johnson to the canvas.

When Johnson went down, everyone was suprised, and thought this was a sudden turn of events.

However, Johnson was up at four, and retaliated, throwing a furious combination of lefts and rights, that knocked the Michigan assassin out cold! Johnson, who slipped, got up and picked the teeth from off his gloves.

I would say that that was one of the more bone-chilling knockouts in history!

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12. Louis-B. Baer I: On May 23, 1941, heavyweight champion Joe Louis took on the brother of former heavyweight champion Max Baer, Buddy Baer. Baer who stood 6'-6 and was near 240lbs. looked like the man that jack met at the top of the beanstalk. But Louis knew how to handle big men, so not many thought he would have much trouble.

In the first round, a hard left hook from Baer sent Louis flying out of the ring!

Out goes Louis! Out goes Louis!

Louis got back in the ring at the count of six, but he was definetely hurt, and the crowd at Griffith Stadium watched in disbelief.

However, Louis got back in the fight, somewhat, and by the sixth round, the challenger was worn down. Louis took advantage and floored the challenger three times. Baer's corner refused to come out for round seven, and Louis won by disqualification. Two years earlier, Louis got another scare...










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11. Louis-Galento: On June 28, 1939, heavyweight king Joe Louis once again took on "Two-Ton" Tony Galento. The lightly regarded Galento was seen as just another bum of the month contender. But when "Two-Ton" Tony took the fight and his lethal left hook to the champion, the result was an unexpected two to toe slugfest.

Louis had not too long ago defeated Schmeling in "The Fight of the Century", and his last three fights had all ended in one round.

To the shock of the mob at Yankee Stadium, in round one, Galento croutched low and pounced on Louis early in the fight, stunning the champ with a series of left hooks that sent Louis staggering against the ropes!

However, in round two, Louis returned to form. A crushing overhand right, and a left uppercut flattened the challenger, sending Galento airborne! Galento though sprung up at the count of three.

Galento went up so high, you could have counted ten while he was in the air!

In round three, with both eyes closed and blood pouring from his nose, Galento after Max Schmeling, and after James J. Braddock became the third man to drop Joe Louis!

When Galento knocked Louis down, I could see the champ was hurt. And even though he jumped to his feet without a count, if Tony could land another left hook, he would have won the title!

Instead, Galento's galant charge ended in a brutal Bronx beating in round four, ending with Tony d****d against the ropes!

Galento is staggering, and the referee breaks, and Galento is down! He's on the floor near the ropes! And Arthur Donovan stopped the fight! Joe Louis is the winner by a technical knockout. Referee Arthur Donovan stepped in and stopped the fight!

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Who's Number One

Welcome back to this edition of "Who's Number 1". We're counting down the greatest almost upsets of all time. Here's a recap.

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Ali-Mildenberger (1966)





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Dempsey-Brennan II (1920)





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Robinson-Doyle (1947)





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Tyson-Bruno I (1989)





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Ali-Wepner (1975)





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Frazier-Stander (1972)





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Lewis-Klitschko (2003)





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Johnson-Ketchel (1909)





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Louis-B. Baer I (1941)





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Louis-Galento (1939)

Here's the next 10, starting with, uh number 10.










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Now Foreman is staggered! Foreman was staggered by a Lyle left. Foreman goes down! Foreman goes down! Lyle fights back!

10. Foreman-Lyle: On January 24, 1975, former heavyweight king George Foreman took on Ron Lyle. Although Foreman Lost to Ali two years earlier, he was still the favorite.

They could have fought the thing in a phone booth, they were so close together.

In the first round Lyle rocked Foreman with a blockbuster right. They Foreman came back and hurt Lyle in the second round. In the fourth round, Lyle sent Foreman to the canvas. Lyle then got rattled by good combinations, and a right from Foreman drilled Ron. However, Lyle came back in the fourth, and sent Foreman down with a terrific right. it seemed like it would be all over for George.

In the fifth, Foreman was rocked again by Lyle with lefts and rights. But out of nowhere, Foreman took the fight to Lyle again, pinned him to the ropes, and pummelled him into submission, scoring a knockout.

It's known as the elevator fight. Because it was up and down! Just up and down, both guys!

Lyle almost got the upset win that time, but so did Lyle a year earlier...










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9. Ali-Lyle: On May 16, 1975, heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali took on Ron Lyle. Lyle was thought to be another slow-moving target for Ali to toy with.

However, Ali's rope-a-dope strategy, which had worked on Foreman, wasn't working on Lyle. Lyle fought a smart fight and was ahead on all three scorecards. it seemed that there would be a new champion.

Then Dundee gave the signal for Ali to fight, and boy did he fight! In the eleventh round, Ali hurt Lyle with a right, and pummeled him for the next 45 seconds. Pinning Lyle against the ropes, Ali rocked him continuously. After having Lyle out on his feet, Referee Ferd Hernandez stepped in and stopped the fight, awarding Ali with a technical knockout.










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8. Jones-Tarver I: On November 8, 2003 light heavyweight champion Roy Jones Jr. foght Antonio Tarver. Jones, who at this point was thought of as invincible, thought of this as an easy pay day.

Jones was on the down side of his career, and Tarver just took advantage of that.

Tarver was winning rounds, and all of a sudden, Jones looked sluggish, disinterested, and unimpressive. however, Jones rallied late, and manged to szeeke out a disputed majority decision.

This would set the stage for the rematch, even more bad news for Jones.

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I have never seen a harder right hand in boxing history than that one!

7. Holmes-Shavers II: On September 28, 1979, WBC heavyweight champion Larry Holmes rematched with Ernie Shavers. Holmes was barely touched in their first fight, and many of the same happened this way in the first six rounds of their rematch.

Shavers has to be one of the heaviest hitting heavyweights in history, and that right hand would have killed most fighters!

In the seventh round, Shavers nailed Holmes with a vicious right hand that send Holmes to the canvas. Everyone thought the fight was over, but Holmes managed to get to his feet at the count of seven.

Holmes continued what he started and finished the job via tko in round eleven.










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Now he's teasing Cooper! He's trying to make Cooper look small!

6. Clay-Cooper I: On June 18, 1963, leading heavyweight contender Muhammad Ali, then going by the name of Cassius Clay took on British Empire Champion Henry Cooper. Clay with his flamboyant style won many of his fights by predicting the round in which he would win. Here, he predicted round 5, and Cooper, who had a 24lb. weight disadvantage, was thought to have a slim chance.

Right away Cooper scores with left hooks and makes Clay's nose bleed.

There's blood on Cooper's left arm, and it's coming from Clay's nose!

Clay than comes back in the third and opens a nasty cut. Since he predicted round 5, he attempted to carry the fight, and played around in the ring. Then at the end of the fourth Clay gets decked by a solid left hook!

Clay is up at about three, but he's hurt. And he's dazed in his corner. Now Angelo Dundee Clay's trainer gets an idea. One of Clay's gloves are slightly split. So Dundee sticks his finger in the glove to make the hole bigger to buy time. He got maybe ten seconds to recover and his head was cleared. If not for those precious seconds, the fight would have been stopped.

In the predicted fifth, Clay went right to work, rocking Cooper with vicious lefts and rights, opening the cut again, and Copper's eye gushed out a fountain of blood, and Tommy Little the ref stopped the fight.

A sudden and dramatic ending as young Cassius Clay makes good his prediction of a fifth round ko, after coming off the canvas in the fourth. It now appears to everyone that this young fighter is destined to become heavyweight champion of the world!

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5. Dempsey-Firpo: On September 14, 1923, heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey took on Luis Firpo. Dempsey was a heavy favorite in this one.

At this point, Dempsey is sort of invincible. He had hammered Jess Willard to the canvas.

You know this was Firpo and "The Wild Bull of the Pampas" and you kind of heard of him, but whose gonna knock down Jack Demspey?

Dempsey comes out and gets knocked down immediately. Getting up from that floors tha challenger seven times ala Jess Willard! then as Buddy Baer did eighteen years after to joe Louis, Firpo knocks Jack out of the ring!

He landed on the sportswriters table, and I was about six rows behind, and they just shoved him back into the ring. Everyone thought Dempsey would go down again, but he didn't.

Dempsey knocks Firpo down two more times in the second round, the second one for the count via a vicous left hook right hand combination. Eleven knockdowns, nine by Dempsey two by Firpo, and only 3 minutes and 46 seconds of fighting occured in this event.

This was a Babe Ruth home run! This was a Red Grange 100yd. kickoff return! This was excitement! This wasn't safety first, it was safety last! The public wanted this, and Dempsey was feeding it to them!

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Who's Number 1? "Greatest Almost Upsets"








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4. Basilio-DeMarco II: On November 30, 1955, middleweight champion Carmen Basilio rematched with Tony DeMarco. Basilio ko'd Tony in twelve before, and many thought that much of the same ws prevalent.

However, DeMarco took the fight to Carmen and was teeing off on him early in the fight.

Basilio had the chin. DeMarco had the punch. DeMarco just went after him trying to put him away, but it wasn't happening.

But in the sixth round, DeMarco Hit Basilio with a left hook that was so hard, that Basilio's knees bent, and his rump was only inches away from the canvas. It looked as if Basilio was sitting on an invisible chair. However, he didn't go down, and the fight turned from there.

After being down on all scorecards by a wide margin, champion Basilio started to weaken the challenger down, and in the twelvth round, the same round that he finished Tony off in the previous fight, the fight was stopped.

To knock Basilio out, you had to hit him with a plank!

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3. Louis-Conn I: On June 18, 1941, heavyweight champion Joe Louis took on Billy Conn from Pittsburgh. Conn, was seen to have a good chance, but Louis was still a heavy favorite.

Conn built up a great fanbase. He was a representative of the working class, he was handsome, had a beautiful wife. He was Irish. And the odds were 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 that Louis would beat him. But a lot of the fans in Pittsburgh, who just loved boxing wanted to see Conn win. You didn't expect Joe Louis to lose. You didn't bet against U.S Steel or Joe Louis.

Conn outboxed the champion, using tricky angles to keep Louis off-balance, and to make him miss. on top of that, Conn rocked Louis in the twelvth round, and it looked as if Louis would lose his title.

All Conn had to do was last the fight, and he would win. But conn, nstead of going for the decision, he tried to knock Joe Louis out.

Conn who had moved, now decided he would trade. Bad, bad decision!

In the thirteenth, Conn stood toe to toe and Louis took advantage and finished him off in 2:58 of that round.

I guess i had too much to win for and I tried to knock him out. Otherwise i would have won easy.

Wow, Louis made the list for the third time. Do I hear four...










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Everyone thought that this was the end for Joe Louis that night.

2. Louis-Walcott I: Four it is! On December 5, 1947, heavyweight champion Joe louis took on a lightly regarded contender in Jersey Joe Walcott.

Louis was at the height of his fame at this point, but on the downside of his skills, and this was something that no one expected.

From start to finish Walcott layed down a two step that dazzled the old champion and Walcott dominated the action, popped the jab unleashed tantalyzing footmovement that befuddled Louis. In round one, Louis pined Walcott against the ropes, and walked into a sneaky flurry by the challenger that sent him down for the first time in six years! In the fourth, Walcott sent Louis down again. Everyne had the idea that Louis might lose.

It was a very close fight, but I thought Walcott won that fight. But the judges didn't see it that way.

The fight went the distance, and the result was shocking. Louis had been awarded a split-decision by the judges.

this set the stage for the rematch, which didn't go so well for Joe Walcott.

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Who's Number 1?: "Greatest Almost Upsets"

Hello, butterfly1964 here and welcome again to this edition of "Who's Number 1?". In this edition we are counting down the twenty greatest "almost" upsets of all time. Before we get to number 1, here's a recap.

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Ali-Mildenberger (1966)





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Dempsey-Brennan II (1920)





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Robinson-Doyle (1947)





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Tyson-Bruno I (1989)





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Ali-Wepner (1975)





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Frazier-Stander (1972)





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Lewis-Klitschko (2003)





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Johnson-Ketchel (1909)





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Louis-B. Baer I (1941)





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Louis-Galento (1939)





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Foreman-Lyle (1976)





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Ali-Lyle (1975)





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Jones-Tarver I(2003)





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Holmes-Shavers II (1979)





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Clay-Cooper I (1963)





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Dempsey-Firpo (1923)





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In all honesty, this fight should have been an upset. It had all the earmarkings of an upset. It had the ebb and flow of an upset, but it just didn't turn out that way. Here's Number One.









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He proved that the fight is not over, until it's over!

1. Moore Durelle I: On December 10, 1958, lightheavyweight champion Archie moore took on heavy underdog Fisherman Yvonne Durelle from Canada.

Moore is put down three times in the first round! Lucky for Moore, there was no three knockdown rule. Moore somehow survives the round, only to get dropped once again in the fourth.

Moore is fighting for his life here. He's in there with a real power punching guy, and he somehow weathers the storm and starts to come back.

Moore comes back and takes a few rounds. Then He starts to put Durelle down!

I was astonished on how well Moore recuperated from that early onslaught that I was saying to myself, "Is this guy real?"

I have never seen such a fight with such astonishing turn events, as i saw from the first Archie Moore - Yvonne Durelle fight. that fight has to be the greatest fight of all-time if you think about it.

Moore in the eleventh round put Durelle down four times, the last one for the count.

I think it was more a choke than a great comeback. Durelle had him, and there was no reason why he shouldn't have put him away. That was his fight for the taking. but great fighters know how to seal the deal, and since Durelle couldn't do that, he cannot be called in my opinion a great fighter.

That was Moore's finest hour. His greatest performance!

Yes, my friends the be all, end all of all could haves, would haves, and should haves. But could my list have been better? I'll let our resident second guessers decide. Kid Achilles and La_Vibora, the floor belongs to you.

I think some of these belong where they are on the list, such as Louis-Conn, Dempsey-Firpo, and Moore-Durelle. These were occasions where an underdog made a convincing show of upsetting the favorite but lost in the end. However, some of your choices baffle me. Frazier-Stander? Stander had Frazier hurt a little but I doubt anyone present (except Stander's fans maybe) thought he was going to really finish Joe off.

Johnson-Ketchel would not really apply here because Johnson was up and clear headed and almost took Ketchel's head off with the next significant blow he landed. I don't think he was in any near danger of losing the title, he just got caught by an absolutely hellacious puncher, recovered, and took care of business.

Same goes for Tyson-Bruno. I remember Tyson getting caught and his knees buckling, but was he really in any "clear and present danger" of getting upset?

If you open the criteria up to any fight where an underdog stunned a favorite with a punch, there would be too many fights to count. How about when Yori Boy Campas floored Trinidad with a beautiful left hook that barely traveled a foot? Hell there were a lot of Trinidad fights where Tito was hurt early but came back to open up a can.

Good effort in that you include fights from different eras and weight classes but I don't think many of these fights are deserving of their place on this list.

I like the list overall, though I would move Lewis Klitschko down some since it was considered a dangerous fight for Lewis so there was always that chance he could lose, the same could be said of Holmes-Shavers, while Larry dominated him the first fight, there was always the thought that if Shavers had a chance if he could land that shot, so he wasn't some no hoper who almost pulled an upset. On the other hand, I would move Ali-Wepner up a little bit, Wepner was basically had no hope of winning this fight, he had no chance at all. Also, I am not so sure if we could put Johnson-Ketchel so high here, I mean, while he caught Jack with a very good and shocking right hand that dropped him, I don't think Jack was really in trouble of losing the fight, on fact he got right up and knocked Stanley out. I would also move Louis-Conn above Louis Walcott as I think the small Conn being in control of that fight was more of an amazing feat than the Walcott fight. Also, are we looking at things from a past tense perspective or current tense? What I mean is take Ali-Cooper for instance, at the time it would have been an upset, but not nearly as big as it would be seen from the current perspective, because we know that Ali more than likely wouldn't have got a shot at Liston's title ha d he lost that fight, so that would have changed history big time, so in the present day perspective, you have to put it high on the list, however, if you look at it from the perspective of the time, then it would be lower. Just a thought to give about the list.

That will do it for this edition of "Who's Number 1". I'll return next week to countdown times, events and athletes that have shaped our world of boxing. Until then, I'm butterfly1964, let the debating begin!





























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[rustyco23]

That was very entertaining. A suggestion for a fight could be the "Thrilla in Manilla". Ali was the favorite and in that fight (the best of all time IMO) Joe gave Ali all he could handle, and after 6 or so rounds of battering Ali managed to pull it out

[Krucial]

you should Who's Number 1:Greatest false-Upsets

put Judah-Baldomir in there
cuz judah was winning the ****in fight
just cuz he aint win the last 4 rounds dont mean ****
he tried to play it safe life delahoya did trinidad(boy was oscar surprised)
but u cant run n duck for 4 rounds

thats what i truly think