Did WBA/WBC conspire against Sweet Pea?

[Marchegiano]

That first title fight in his career, I know there had to be plenty of y'all old enough to be paying attention back then.

From what I've gathered it seems like Pernell was put into a title fight he was not allowed to win because the WBC and WBA wanted an all Mexican unification bout between Jose Ramirez and Julio Chavez. Well, win a decision anyway.

Then Chavez gets gifted the WBC belt on a headbutt in said uni.

Then Chavez gets gifted a draw with Pernell even though Whitaker had outboxed that fool.

JCC a bit of a hypejob?

Pernell a bit of an under appreciated talent thrown under the buss by racist sanctioning body heads? I don't think I'd call the Sullies anti-black or anything, but, did the WBC's pro-Mexican heads force a great Mexican who wasn't actually as great as they needed him to be?

Who here can take me back to the 80s and explain why judges and sanctioning bodies gave JCC every benefit they could?

[QueensburyRules]

That first title fight in his career, I know there had to be plenty of y'all old enough to be paying attention back then.

From what I've gathered it seems like Pernell was put into a title fight he was not allowed to win because the WBC and WBA wanted an all Mexican unification bout between Jose Ramirez and Julio Chavez. Well, win a decision anyway.

Then Chavez gets gifted the WBC belt on a headbutt in said uni.

Then Chavez gets gifted a draw with Pernell even though Whitaker had outboxed that fool.

JCC a bit of a hypejob?

Pernell a bit of an under appreciated talent thrown under the buss by racist sanctioning body heads? I don't think I'd call the Sullies anti-black or anything, but, did the WBC's pro-Mexican heads force a great Mexican who wasn't actually as great as they needed him to be?

Who here can take me back to the 80s and explain why judges and sanctioning bodies gave JCC every benefit they could?

- -Watch the fight!!!

The boneheads at Pea and Duva who showed up for a Mexican title fight held in the international Monte Carlo in their soiled diapers.

SHEEESH!!!

[ShoulderRoll]

My opinions:


[1] Did Pernell deserve the win against Ramirez? Yeah, but I went back and watched that fight and it was more competitive than I had been led to believe.


[2] Did Chavez get a gift against Ramirez? No. The ending might have been somewhat controversial but Chavez was winning that fight.


[3] Did Chavez get a gift draw against Whitaker? Yes, absolutely. He lost and quite handily too.


[4] JCC a bit of a hypejob? Naw. The guy was a legitimate bad ass in his prime. If you look in the dictionary under "Mexican-style" his picture should be in it. He was a great, Pernell Whitaker simply happened to be even greater.


[5] Were the sanctioning bodies dirty and biased in favor of Chavez? I certainly wouldn't put it past those crooks. But don't overlook the fact that Julio was promoted by biggest crook of them all, Don King.

[Marchegiano]

My opinions:


[1] Did Pernell deserve the win against Ramirez? Yeah, but I went back and watched that fight and it was more competitive than I had been led to believe.


[2] Did Chavez get a gift against Ramirez? No. The ending might have been somewhat controversial but Chavez was winning that fight.


[3] Did Chavez get a gift draw against Whitaker? Yes, absolutely. He lost and quite handily too.


[4] JCC a bit of a hypejob? Naw. The guy was a legitimate bad ass in his prime. If you look in the dictionary under "Mexican-style" his picture should be in it. He was a great, Pernell Whitaker simply happened to be even greater.


[5] Were the sanctioning bodies dirty and biased in favor of Chavez? I certainly wouldn't put it past those crooks. But don't overlook the fact that Julio was promoted by biggest crook of them all, Don King.

Quality bud thanks a bunch!

[Marchegiano]

- -Watch the fight!!!

The boneheads at Pea and Duva who showed up for a Mexican title fight held in the international Monte Carlo in their soiled diapers.

SHEEESH!!!

I'm more after contemporary opinion than retrospect. I was 2 in 88 bud.


appreciate that bold bit, good input.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm more after contemporary opinion than retrospect. I was 2 in 88 bud.


appreciate that bold bit, good input.

- -It's all true. Pea after meaningless clowning and running around was exhausted to start holding and turning his back on Chavez. He walked into a couple dozen left hooks into the liver that left him helpless and hanging on for dear life by the end.

He was a one off natural talent either unwilling or incapable of adapting to certain fighters which is why I and others didn't want to watch his fights.

If I want to watch a clown show, I'd go to the circus.

[Anthony342]

My opinions:


[1] Did Pernell deserve the win against Ramirez? Yeah, but I went back and watched that fight and it was more competitive than I had been led to believe.


[2] Did Chavez get a gift against Ramirez? No. The ending might have been somewhat controversial but Chavez was winning that fight.


[3] Did Chavez get a gift draw against Whitaker? Yes, absolutely. He lost and quite handily too.


[4] JCC a bit of a hypejob? Naw. The guy was a legitimate bad ass in his prime. If you look in the dictionary under "Mexican-style" his picture should be in it. He was a great, Pernell Whitaker simply happened to be even greater.


[5] Were the sanctioning bodies dirty and biased in favor of Chavez? I certainly wouldn't put it past those crooks. But don't overlook the fact that Julio was promoted by biggest crook of them all, Don King.

I think that last point about Don King is the most relevant. He definitely had a hand in those decisions in Chavez's prime. That's also why Frankie Randall needed two points taken away by the ref to win by 1 point on one of the judge's scorecards just to get a split decision win, when I thought Randall should've more clearly won that first fight with Chavez, especially when he scored a rare knockdown.

Definitely not a hypejob either, which is why Chavez didn't need any special favors to win. He was a tough bastard in his prime and hit with precision, usually at a good percentage per round and landed well to the body. That's how he was able to slowly wear down Taylor in their first fight, despite being behind on the scorecards to get the stoppage.

[The Old LefHook]

I agree with Shudder on all five of his points, and that's the burka's truth.

[ShoulderRoll]

I think that last point about Don King is the most relevant. He definitely had a hand in those decisions in Chavez's prime. That's also why Frankie Randall needed two points taken away by the ref to win by 1 point on one of the judge's scorecards just to get a split decision win, when I thought Randall should've more clearly won that first fight with Chavez, especially when he scored a rare knockdown.

Definitely not a hypejob either, which is why Chavez didn't need any special favors to win. He was a tough bastard in his prime and hit with precision, usually at a good percentage per round and landed well to the body. That's how he was able to slowly wear down Taylor in their first fight, despite being behind on the scorecards to get the stoppage.

Don King was also very likely the one responsible for the stoppage in the first Meldrick Taylor fight.

Richard Steele must have been on his payroll.

[Rockin']

Richard Steele must have been on his payroll.

I disagree with this comment. A refs first duty is to keep the fighters safe, not to keep track of time left in a round...........Rockin'