Pretty funny that I wrote about the dirty tricks from that article many years ago:
Jimmy Deforest and Jack Dempsey Letters - 1925
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Pretty funny that I wrote about the dirty tricks from that article many years ago:
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=239086
Just checked out his boxrec. Only lost six times...but the captions under his losses are pretty interesting. His loss to Corbett is said to have been faked to win bets. In another of his losses, he was knocked out, but his opponent thought the fight was still on when he got up, and knocked him down again. lol.
Pretty sure he also shot and killed his girlfriend, and eventually killed himself. They should make a movie on this guy.Comment
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In regards to the 'loaded gloves' theory . . .
I think this was s good discussion and you brought some very interesting sources to the table.
I am of the mind, now, that it's up to the individual to decide if they want to call it -- loaded gloves -- a trick -- or merely superior wrappings.
I always felt that Dempsey's wrappings gave him an advantage at some level, now I am convinced of that.
Whether or not that advantage should be called "cheating" is in my opinion, under the circumstances of 1919, still open to individual interpretation.
I would like to add, we here on this forum, now have a better understanding of the issue than 95% of the boxing community. Good job T.
P.S. I think I have a good idea of what De Forest was saying between the lines, regarding Harry Wills. I will, if you would like, give you my two cents as to what I think he was saying. It is not profound.Comment
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Thank you for posting the letters.
In regards to the 'loaded gloves' theory . . .
I think this was s good discussion and you brought some very interesting sources to the table.
I am of the mind, now, that it's up to the individual to decide if they want to call it -- loaded gloves -- a trick -- or merely superior wrappings.
I always felt that Dempsey's wrappings gave him an advantage at some level, now I am convinced of that.
Whether or not that advantage should be called "cheating" is in my opinion, under the circumstances of 1919, still open to individual interpretation.
I would like to add, we here on this forum, now have a better understanding of the issue than 95% of the boxing community. Good job T.
P.S. I think I have a good idea of what De Forest was saying between the lines, regarding Harry Wills. I will, if you would like, give you my two cents as to what I think he was saying. It is not profound.
I mean, if you want to respond about the Wills thing, then sure. It would be interesting to get your perspective. Personally, I don't have an opinion on it because I can't possibly know how he meant it and I won't assume, but of course you can chime in about what you believe.
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By the way, hope you could see the last part of Dempsey's letter there. I see that VGY must be down again. At least on my end...my sig and the last image of the letter are currently missing. If you weren't able to see it, I'll try to find another way to present the image of it.
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Nevermind. It's all miraculously showing up again now. lolLast edited by travestyny; 09-12-2020, 01:55 PM.Comment
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