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[The Old LefHook]

This guy is just a bald chimp. All that hair always hides just how toned and muscular these guys are. This 75 lbs. chimp literally has biceps the size of Liston's. Now imagine the biceps on a gorilla.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSjcJv-eLxM

Check his deltoids out!

[The Old LefHook]

More muscle tone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ADk_4dTXt8

[HOUDINI563]

An average size chimpanzee can literally tear a human being to pieces.

[The Old LefHook]

People love sensationalism. Chimp muscle is (gram for gram of muscle fiber) 1.5 times stronger than human muscle. I love that number because it is not sensational, yet the results would be and are. On close inspection the chimps in the videos actually have larger biceps than Liston. I will guesstimate them at 1.2 times the size of Liston's.

1.2x1.5=1.8

The chimp would then have 1.8 times the strength of Liston in the biceps, or 180%. He is half Liston's weight but with 180% of Sonny's muscular strength.

Chimps are not adept at fixing grandfather clocks or threading needles. They have fewer neurons than humans, so for the same motion each neuron must carry more muscular commitment. Fine, delicate operations are difficult or impossible for them. Muscular commitment is more of an all or nothing proposition for chimps & gorillas than we realize. There are instances in the record of gorillas tearing the arms off their keepers, but not on purpose.

Also chimps have a higher proportion of fast twitch fibers than humans do. They are more explosive but with less stamina.

[billeau2]

People love sensationalism. Chimp muscle is (gram for gram of muscle fiber) 1.5 times stronger than human muscle. I love that number because it is not sensational, yet the results would be and are. On close inspection the chimps in the videos actually have larger biceps than Liston. I will guesstimate them at 1.2 times the size of Liston's.

1.2x1.5=1.8

The chimp would then have 1.8 times the strength of Liston in the biceps, or 180%. He is half Liston's weight but with 180% of Sonny's muscular strength.

Chimps are not adept at fixing grandfather clocks or threading needles. They have fewer neurons than humans, so for the same motion each neuron must carry more muscular commitment. Fine, delicate operations are difficult or impossible for them. Muscular commitment is more of an all or nothing proposition for chimps & gorillas than we realize. There are instances in the record of gorillas tearing the arms off their keepers, but not on purpose.

Also chimps have a higher proportion of fast twitch fibers than humans do. They are more explosive but with less stamina.

Its interesting to note commonalities in the regard you so intelligently put fourth: Humans biologically are more in the camp of the chimps but with those special fine motor movements you mention, a result of brain area development. So, when training for real combat, a human being will be told by a professional that fine motor movement goes out the window. Yes, you can train it... the twitch of a finger on a firearm... but it is, on the whole unreliable the minute stress reduces us to a fight/flight dichotomy.

this chimp when aggressive will hit downwards trying to throw his weight forwards, and of course bite and scratch... our bodies are designed to do the same thing, yet a trained fighter must learn through practice to generate that same force coming straight, or up into a target instead of down on a target.

You can see where that strength is such as asset when understanding such things.

By the way: A lot of the strength of other primates is not related to more dense muscle...though it is a big consideration and as you said Lefty, often sensationalized... the real kicker is pain tolerance, recovery/ germ resistance and adrenaline. Monkey get wounds that go right to the bone, the infection would kill us and we would go into shock first, but the monkey does not shock, and often does not become infected. Even human beings can muster incredible strength with adrenaline. it has been documented when women have picked up large amounts of weight to save their child, etc. Now imagine, someone wants to confront this ape: when he gets angry, his adrenaline will make him much stronger than merely the sum total of additional strength. So one probably is dealing with considerable strength...

[The Old LefHook]

I figure when animals like leopards or chimps are doing their normal activities they accidentally **** themselves on trees or rocks harder than we could hit them with our hands or feet in a perfect shot.