Muhammad Ali and his views

[uncle ben]

While Ali was a great fighter, he gets a pass for being an outspoken member of what could rightfully be considered a hate group. The Nation of Islam. However, everyone defended Ali saying he had a right to religious freedom.

Imagine Tyson Fury or Usyk being an outspoken member of a Christian group that taught the exact same things about black people that the NOI taught about white people. Fury and Usyk would fall victims to cancel culture. There would be much public demand that they be stripped of their titles and it would most likely happen. No one would defend their right to practice their religion. Their careers would likely be finished and I would not be surprised if they were forever banned from being inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

It is well known that in his 1965 fight with Patterson, during the fight, he taunted Patterson by calling him "white American". Needless to say, if Usyk or Fury taunted an over matched white opponent who was critical of their views by calling them "black American" whilst pummeling them, that would without question get them as the latest to be cancelled.

The point is that while Ali was an excellent fighter, he gets a big pass for holding views that would get a white fighter in big trouble for holding, at least if he publicly expressed those views and he gets a pass for being member of a group that if there existed a white equivalent, would no question be considered a hate group.

[cfang]

What youre missing here is the era. 1960s ali knew both mlk and mx, both killed. He was named after a plantation owner and was refused entry into a burger bar after hed won the olympics.he didn't get a pass either. Michael parkinson challenged him big time on tv.

Ali himself distanced himself from the black muslems later in life. He was an angry young man caught up in times of extreme change. Cant compare to today.

Not condoning any of his less palatable views, in particular on women and segregation but if he was young now i don't think hed have those views.

[HOUDINI563]

The 60’s were a time of upheaval. Just like any historic person or event it must be looked upon with keen knowledge of that time period. Looking back and trying to interpret history without this knowledge only leads to a distorted viewpoint.

[Eff Pandas]

Ali gets a pass for a lot of things because he was fun, charismatic & a boxing legend.

[DeeMoney]

Society will allow you to be in a hate group that hates those who traditionally do, are currently do, have more power than the groups you identify with. Its generally acceptable to punch up.

This will be further justified (in societies view) if the hated identity group has a history of intentionally repressing the group doing the hating.

Not saying this is right, just pointing out the difference.

[QueensburyRules]

While Ali was a great fighter, he gets a pass for being an outspoken member of what could rightfully be considered a hate group. The Nation of Islam. However, everyone defended Ali saying he had a right to religious freedom.

Imagine Tyson Fury or Usyk being an outspoken member of a Christian group that taught the exact same things about black people that the NOI taught about white people. Fury and Usyk would fall victims to cancel culture. There would be much public demand that they be stripped of their titles and it would most likely happen. No one would defend their right to practice their religion. Their careers would likely be finished and I would not be surprised if they were forever banned from being inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

It is well known that in his 1965 fight with Patterson, during the fight, he taunted Patterson by calling him "white American". Needless to say, if Usyk or Fury taunted an over matched white opponent who was critical of their views by calling them "black American" whilst pummeling them, that would without question get them as the latest to be cancelled.

The point is that while Ali was an excellent fighter, he gets a big pass for holding views that would get a white fighter in big trouble for holding, at least if he publicly expressed those views and he gets a pass for being member of a group that if there existed a white equivalent, would no question be considered a hate group.

- -Well, he tarred Big George and Joe as Uncle Toms despite them being raised in much harsher economic situations.

Fact is he gets a pass for being a very magical person, a bit of his grandfathers Irish leprechaun in him, a trickster extraordinaire.

[BKM-]

Ali was a dumb guy. Check his IQ test results. He wasn't bright except for his Irish side. I never took his conversion to Islam seriously, that whole NOI group are a bunch of wannabe arab arseclown who have no clue. Clay was just gullible and didn't know what he was getting himself into.

And I'm not even hating. I'm usually the first to proclaim him the GOAT HW.

[HOUDINI563]

Ali was far from “dumb”. Dumb does not hold audiences attention as did Ali. **** Cavett who was a TV host from that era known for his intellect felt Ali was brilliant.

[BKM-]

Ali was far from “dumb”. **** Cavett who was a TV host from that era known for his intellect felt Ali was brilliant.

Cavett got a hard-on for a character like Ali so that he could push his ******* agenda.

Dumb does not hold audiences attention as did Ali.

Charisma does. Different thing.

[HOUDINI563]

Strong tie between Charisma and intelligence. There are many different types of intelligence. “Charisma” is best understood as being “emotional intelligence” as opposed to what traditionally has been termed cognitive intelligence. Ali had a very high level of emotional intelligence and was able to discuss a variety of topics at a relatively high level.