The Most Complete Boxer Ever

[Rusty Tromboni]

What distinction are you making? Yes technically sound is the same as complete. You cannot be complete without being technically sound and vice versa. When one is comprehensively technically sound they are complete. Are you taking Queenie's moron pills again?

Can you explain to me why Tunney was the most technically sound?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Vlad could do it all? Foreman?! really? Vlad who cringes and lunges in to hold? Same fighter?Tunney was technically expert in two styles of boxing. I don't think many, if any, other fighter was in that position. he was thoroughly versed in Corbet's bare knuckle paradigm, and familiar with dempsey and the punching machines that preceded louis.

What critiques would you make of Wlad's technical abilities?

It looks like you're confusing brothers.

[Rusty Tromboni]

What distinction are you making? Yes technically sound is the same as complete. You cannot be complete without being technically sound and vice versa. When one is comprehensively technically sound they are complete. Are you taking Queenie's moron pills again?

Where did Marquez show the pressure fighting against a sound defensive master like Griffith did against Archer?

Defensive ability like Griffith against Tiger?

Or overall completeness like Griffith vs. Rodriguez

I'll leave it at that because the more fights I add the more impossible the task, and right now i'm not picking on you, I'm teaching you.

If not Marquez, then Harold Johnson.

[Rusty Tromboni]

One of Tunney’s trainers lived into the 60’s his comment concerning Tunneys punching power:

“It not understood today but Tunneys right hand was as feared as Listons”

His opinion that the Tunney who beat Dempsey in 26 was so finely honed that he would have beaten all other heavyweight champions.

Back in 26 Tunney trained near Harvey’s Lake Pa. My Dad was 14 years old at that time and remembered Tunney running around the lake alternating running forwards and backwards for long spurts.

Yeah, people mistake the performances against Dempsey as indicative of his entire career. He started out as a fighter who bombed out his opponents. He sent Loughran to the canvas numerous times, and retired Gibbons. Maybe neither was at his peak, but neither were Louis and Ali in their first career losses.

Tunney showed real depth and ability by adapting the way he did. What's scary is that he was only getting better when he retired, both as a boxer and a puncher.

[billeau2]

It's cute watching you try to be relevant.

Who was more complete at Junior Lightweight, Mayweather or Marquez?

They both are similar in how complete, vis a vis technically sound they were, though had different strengths and weaknesses...Mayweather an ATG. Worth mentioning that they fought different styles so the comparison is not self evident.

[billeau2]

Can you explain to me why Tunney was the most technically sound?

Sure can! Tunney had footwork, strategy and technical skills that were emphasized by Corbett, himself a technical fighter... Something you will no doubt understand and "boo hoo" is that despite never fighting a bare knuckle match on record, Corbet's style was bare knuckle. that is whom he came up training with and what he was schooled in.

These skills emphasized a lead, not a jab, a greater fighting distance...sword length, and footwork that could be technical to set traps for an opponent.

Tunney also learned to fight in the modern style emphasized by Dempsey where a fighter squares up, uses shoulder and head movements more frequently than footwork, and emphasizes a jab. One can see tunney make use of all these skill sets in his fights against Dempsey.

So Tunney had footwork, knew how to use a lead and a jab, defensive skills, distancing skills, etc. Watch the tape it is all there.

[billeau2]

Where did Marquez show the pressure fighting against a sound defensive master like Griffith did against Archer?

Defensive ability like Griffith against Tiger?

Or overall completeness like Griffith vs. Rodriguez

I'll leave it at that because the more fights I add the more impossible the task, and right now i'm not picking on you, I'm teaching you.

If not Marquez, then Harold Johnson.

lol your teaching me alright, teaching me that you never watched Marquez fight.

[billeau2]

What critiques would you make of Wlad's technical abilities?

It looks like you're confusing brothers.

You actually got me... You know Rusty I cannot critique Vlad's technical ability, HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY!!

He throws excellent punches. period. He cannot move, he cannot even defend properly, and "cringes" are you for real?

Oh wait... He holds people illegally very well, better than hatton did the last leg of his career.

U crazy?

[The Old LefHook]

I can accept being corrected on the merits of Tunney. No problem. However, my vote at the moment would go to Sugar Ray Leonard. Ray's body punch placement was the best in history, and he was a peerless ring general who could do a lot more than just run and pitty-pat, like a lot of 'em. A fistful of his opponents provide more legacy than all of Mayweather's combined.

[TonyGe]

Salvador Sanchez in my lifetime was amazing. Terrific puncher, great boxer and tough. Never changed his facial expression.

Yeah he had that stoic look and was like a cooled spring ready to strike at any time. Great fighter.