Jack Johnson backed out of signed contract to rematch Langford

[Rusty Tromboni]

Johnson later confessed he was lying about taking a dive against Willard. He originally sold the lie/story to Nat Fleischer including the rights, for $250.

Damn. Great researching, man!

Have you looked at all into claims that Sullivan ducked Peter Jackson?

I recall reading that an offer was presented by Sullivan's camp to Jackson, but he declined.

I dunno the source, though. I really don't even know where to search. But keeping it going makes for good fun around these parts with the knock-off Maxine Walters type.

In either event, Sullivan was pretty much all but retired. And Jackson hadn't even established himself as the best Heavyweight in his adopted home of Australia, let alone the United States (any hope he had of being a contender obviously flat-lined when he began fighting America's best). So the idea that Sullivan ducked him doesn't hold weight.

But if you (or anyone ekse with credibility) has actual evidence which speaks to the matter, I'd be really interested. Obviously, those with ulterior motives have put a lot of energy into crafting false narratives.

[travestyny]

- -He was earning peanuts on the $ from what previous champs made, but at least more peanuts.

He needed 6 year retired, 300 lb Jeff to make his $, well over $100k, enough to retire on. Instead he moved to France to soon zero out that purse and the rest is history.

Ooookayyy. Good for him....


He was allowed to be paid like a champ. What a travesty

[travestyny]

The quotes were from the book “Sam Langford: Boxing’s Greatest Uncrowned Champion” by Clay Moyle. His source appears to be, Charles Gillespie, “When Langford Hunted Johnson,” The Ring, 1931 (month unknown)



Apparently Johnson did sign an agreement, he tried to say someone else signed it but a photo of the signed agreement was posted as evidence that showed Johnson had signed it.

Ok. That's what I was wondering. I found the conversation with Clay online but I was hoping you had his sources to see if I could find out if they sued him. The closest I could get was their convo on another site.

I'll post more if I find anything. Good looking out on the info. Still, if this is all about him refusing to fight for $5000, while we know he accepted for $25,000, I fail to see the big deal. Though I do think he should have kept his word.

[travestyny]

Hahahaha! That's awesome! That piece of shyte also claimed he carried Ketchel and threw the fight against Willard... all clearly untrue when viewing the footage.

I don't know if he carried Ketchel. But it's more likely they had to cary Ketchel out of the ring

[travestyny]

At least Jack Johnson did fight (and beat) Langford, though. As well as Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea.

He also agreed to fight Langford a second time, in Australia. But that got derailed by the trumped up Mann Act charges against him.

Exactly this. The offer that is discussed in the OP is for a whopping $5000, with Johnson saying he wants $30,000 after he became champ (the same amount Tommy Burns got).


Much ado about nothing.

[QueensburyRules]

Exactly this. The offer that is discussed in the OP is for a whopping $5000, with Johnson saying he wants $30,000 after he became champ (the same amount Tommy Burns got).


Much ado about nothing.

- -10 Dolla Dolly worth nothing now is it?

I say U worth 10 Dolla back in the day gives U 3 squares and a place to stay + how U like them apples?

[ShoulderRoll]

Exactly this. The offer that is discussed in the OP is for a whopping $5000, with Johnson saying he wants $30,000 after he became champ (the same amount Tommy Burns got).


Much ado about nothing.

Yeah, this thread seemed like an attempt to retaliate for the facts you posted about Dempsey never fighting Wills.

But the situations are in no way similar. Primarily because Jack Johnson actually DID fight Sam Langford, for one.

[travestyny]

- -10 Dolla Dolly worth nothing now is it?

I say U worth 10 Dolla back in the day gives U 3 squares and a place to stay + how U like them apples?

I wish you could take an English class, because that's not it.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don't know if he carried Ketchel. But it's more likely they had to cary Ketchel out of the ring

At least he had his dignity.

Can you imagine a Heavyweight needing 14 rounds to beat a Middleweight?

Can you even imagine a Heavyweight fighting a Middleweight!?

Nothing was beneath Johnson.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yeah, this thread seemed like an attempt to retaliate for the facts you posted about Dempsey never fighting Wills.

But the situations are in no way similar. Primarily because Jack Johnson actually DID fight Sam Langford, for one.

Yup. He fought a Middleweight.