Gans McGovern

[jack p]

i know its fixed but its in color

[QueensburyRules]

- -It weren't fixed, so there, fixed for you.

Watch it and tell me at which pt you think it fixed.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Masterful work.

This puts to death any argument that the fight was fixed. Gans didn't throw the fight, he got his ass handed to him. By a monster.


McGovern was pure class when at his best. He fell-off suddenly, and it was a never-ending plummet. But that short peak was as high magnificent.

I am the first one to criticize people for overrating Gans. But he was a good fighter. Not a top 5/10 Lightweight like the uninformed like to echo, but still a very good fighter. For a young kid to come in there and put him away like that is tremendous. I've watched years of combat sports fight footage, McGovern was one of the most gifted.

Thanks, Jack P for your wonderful artwork, and your dedication to justice and truth.

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -It weren't fixed, so there, fixed for you.

Watch it and tell me at which pt you think it fixed.

Yeah, this clean-up of the footage, and 25 years of MMA, show us how a real fight looks. Any sense of reality had atrophied with all the trappings of sport and safety applied to Boxing over the years.

Wrestlers are a lot tougher than Boxers. We go through way more, and we do it for pride, but we got our wake up call from the Brazilians. I was a pretty good wrestler in my day, but Jujitsu blew my mind. It was like I had been asleep my whole life, and woke up when I put on the Gi.

You could say the same about the sport of fencing: does warfare look like that? Has it ever? You wouldn't judge Alexander or Richard the Lionheart of Sheridan on their ability to handle an epee.


This film proves it: McGovern was just a lad, and a small one at that, but he was way, way too much man for Gans. Different class of fighter.

[BattlingNelson]

- -It weren't fixed, so there, fixed for you.

Watch it and tell me at which pt you think it fixed.

There's no real conclusive evidence of the fight being fixed or not. However it surely is one of the most controversial fights in boxing history.

What is clear is that a distrct attouney told that a colored gambler came to his office to wager 8K on McGovern while claiming he had seen a written agreement by Gans that he would quit before the fifth round.

Anyway a lot of info on the fight and highly interesting background data can be found in this book:

https://books.google.dk/books?id=VIw...govern&f=false

[QueensburyRules]

- -Looks interesting, but I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow for my library computer for full viewing.

As far as ******** back then, it was endemic in boxing and baseball and now dwarfs both in income made one them.

Shoeless Joe Jackson among others given more than their yearly salaries to throw the 1919 WS. When Joe tried to warn WSox owner Comiskey what was up, he was rebuffed.

Joe set a WS record for hits and near flawless fielding to get banned the next year with the other Sox by the new commish, Landis. The US court had tossed out those charges against them, but on baseball forums joe routinely accused as a cheat...go figure...

[Rusty Tromboni]

There's no real conclusive evidence of the fight being fixed or not. However it surely is one of the most controversial fights in boxing history.

What is clear is that a distrct attouney told that a colored gambler came to his office to wager 8K on McGovern while claiming he had seen a written agreement by Gans that he would quit before the fifth round.

Anyway a lot of info on the fight and highly interesting background data can be found in this book:

https://books.google.dk/books?id=VIw...govern&f=false

Boxing has always been shady. If it is now, it was even more so then. But you can't become a conspiracy theorist or you'll doubt everything.

Even today in MMA - which is controlled by companies whom operate under the threat of the Federal Government - seems contrived. While thrown fights have pretty much been flushed out, judging seems rigged. Every event has Canelo-GGG I decision. It's that bad. And it's almost certainly monetarily driven. Certain fighters just better serve the brand, at least as Dana White sees it.


But again, none of this has been determined in the court of law. It's just very strong conjecture. It could just be that judges in combat sports are really that ******. I myself don't believe there's a cabal, but I do think a lot of the results are orchestrated. I just couldn't testify in court to it.

I'm a firm believer in the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire". But I just as strongly believe that where there is A LOT of smoke, AND mirrors, there's a trick.

People probably won and lost a lot of money on this fight which lead to hut feelings. And the change in betting lines might have been so drastic because bettors were seeing McGovern for the first time. This was a different era. Some of these guys might never have seen a film in their life, period. Let alone been able to sit in front of a computer studying hours of footage collected over decades. Even with the latter, we still see smart money come in late. Especially w/ MMA, where there are so many moving parts and fighters are seldom the same person from one fight to the next.

It's understandable if the drama and hurt feelings this fight caused inspired rumors, and the rumors inspired legends. But the only evidence we have to go by are the fighters' performances themselves: this fight, and other fights featuring these men. It was not a work, regardless of what su****ious things might have happened outside the ring.

[Anthony342]

If he had been playing today, Shoeless Joe would probably be signed to a shoe deal.