Who Could Roy Jones Not Have Beaten?

[robertzimmerman]

BattlingNelson,

'Lesser guys'... You are joking of course. SMW was stacked or about to become that compared to LHW where Jones elected to stay without ever going for the main man in the division.

How many times have we done this dance now?

Ha!

Again, he couldn't obtain fights with Benn or Liles.

Who did that leave?

Calzaghe hadn't done anything then, and we know that he wouldn't have fought Roy anyway.

There was only Collins.

You obviously misread my post.

I'm saying that as he couldn't fight Liles, Benn or Calzaghe, he was left with 2 choices:

1. Move up to LHW.

2. Remain at SMW to defend his IBF title.

So:

Had he have had no ambition, he could have remained at SMW and fought lesser guys, where he could have notched up numerous title defences like Ottke and Calzaghe did afterwards. Yet he didn't do that. He moved up and fought McCallum, before then targeting Griffin and Hill.

How can you say that he never went after the 'main man' when you know that HBO worked tirelessly to obtain the fight, AFTER Dariusz had claimed that he'd be willing to fight in America?

Jones work at SMW leaves a lot to be desired and now you are actually saying that he could have stayed there! He didn't grow out of the division, he simply left because he wouldn't pay Benn and Liles! It tells us all about Jones doesn't it? Not only was he just a trinket collector, but he also fled a peaking division in order to fight less demanding opposition north of it.

Yes, he could have stayed there. He could have milked his IBF title over and over against their mandatory challengers. But again, he moved up for a fresh challenge. IF he could have fought Benn and Liles, he'd have stayed there for longer than what he did. That's why Joe gets so much criticism. Because when he was faced with the same problem, he chose to stay to fight lesser guys, one of which he'd already beaten. (Veit)

Regarding Benn and Liles, I don't know how many times I have to educate you. You either don't take it in, or you're trolling me.

In 1995, King wanted future options on a Benn fight, and he couldn't reach a compromise with Roy's advisors. Also, King and Roy's advisors - the Levin's, didn't trust each other.

In 1996, Liles' manager and HBO both confirm that Liles was offered his highest pay day. Liles' manager said "We had a great fight lined up, but Frankie blew it..."

You've seen the links many times. Frankie's manager was angry, as he thought that Frankie had the beating of Roy.

Please tell me how the SMW division was peaking late in 1996?

Benn was coming to the end of his career.

Eubank was coming to the end of his career.

Littles had been stopped twice.

Joe hadn't done anything.

There was only really Collins.

LHW had: Dariusz, Griffin and Hill etc.

How were they less demanding opposition?

[Boxing Goat]

Any weights, starting at middleweight. You can use the list below as a template to copy, fill in, then paste back as a reply. Who do you feel pretty sure about?



1 middle


2 Super Middle


3 Light Heavy


4 Cruiser


5 Heavyweight

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[robertzimmerman]

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Just stop it.

There's many CW's and lower tier HW's which he could have beaten.

[QueensburyRules]

Your posts are all over the place.

Again, check your dates.

I believe that Dariusz was there for the Harmon fight in 2001. But why would he have been there in 2003 near his 49th fight? Talks had fizzled out by then and Roy had just fought Ruiz.

Dariusz was never serious about fighting Roy. He kept the WBO title and lost his others. He was obviously more than happy just defending that one title.

HBO never even had the opportunity to put up any money, as Dariusz' advisor would never sit down with them.

Roy was not offered triple his purse. Where are you getting this from?

The only thing you've got right, is that Roy wouldn't travel to Germany. And who could blame him? I've showed you what Dariusz did against Roch, which you've obviously ignored.

Darius was there on the Eve of his double record tying moment. Trying to scare up Roy and HBO. With German $ more than HBO was paying.

Yeah, we know now that because you was enfant terrible in diapers, it never happened.

And Columbus never sailed the ocean blue while you were still learning how to chew.

[robertzimmerman]

Darius was there on the Eve of his double record tying moment. Trying to scare up Roy and HBO. With German $ more than HBO was paying.

Yeah, we know now that because you was enfant terrible in diapers, it never happened.

And Columbus never sailed the ocean blue while you were still learning how to chew.

What are you talking about?

Dariusz' 49th fight was against Julio Gonzalez on the 18th of October, 2003.

Roy didn't fight Tarver until the 8th of November, 2003.

Dariusz' 48th fight was against Derrick Harmon on the 29th of March, 2003, which was just after Roy had beaten Ruiz at HW on the 1st.

Which fight are you talking about?

Are you saying he was a guest on HBO in October, 2003?

You're talking nonsense.

Dariusz wasn't trying to do anything at those times. Roy wasn't even fighting.

You must be referring to when he was a guest when Roy fought Harmon in 2001.

Again, it's irrelevant, as Dariusz' advisor snubbed various meetings with HBO afterwards.

[OldTerry]

Lest we forget, Evander Holifield could have fought as a LHW and would have beat Jones there. I would pick Evander at LHW and above against Roy Jones.

[billeau2]

Siaca, Lucas, Beyer, Mundine, Andrade was all easily dismantled and that what made him p4p'er. It's just a fact.

Well he did beat Froch once. How are we using pound for pound?

[SheenLantern]

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lol Roy probably only loses to Holyfeild at CW

[QueensburyRules]

- -Field ducked the Roy fight at heavy.

Fact!

[QueensburyRules]

What are you talking about?

Dariusz' 49th fight was against Julio Gonzalez on the 18th of October, 2003.

Roy didn't fight Tarver until the 8th of November, 2003.

Dariusz' 48th fight was against Derrick Harmon on the 29th of March, 2003, which was just after Roy had beaten Ruiz at HW on the 1st.

Which fight are you talking about?
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- -That's 16 yrs ago, and memory may fuzz a bit, but it was probably the Ruiz fight, big news on the AOL boards.

Harmon had already been scheduled obviously.

Let me repeat the obvious, Darius wanted Roy for his 49th record tying fight. Roy didn't, but glad to see the Roy drug accusers on the side of Roy even if they are wrong in both cases.