Who Could Roy Jones Not Have Beaten?

[W1LL]

Joe was a great fighter, but there's plenty of evidence available.

Roy was faster, harder to hit, and he had one punch knockout power in either hand.

Joe's biggest flaw was that he was always easy enough to hit, especially with right hands. He also had confidence issues. He never believed in himself as much as he should have done, which is why he was content to defend a lightly regarded WBO belt for 10 years.

As great and as awkward as he was, even in his 20's and early 30's he was scraping by Reid and was getting dropped by Mitchell and Salem.

He was far from untouchable and never good enough to have beaten a mid 20's version of Roy.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I personally believe a prime Calzaghe has all the tools needed to beat any version of Roy.

[W1LL]

Joe's biggest flaw was that he was always easy enough to hit, especially with right hands.

Not sure how many Calzaghe fights you've actually watched, but this is a laughable statement. Joe would get into a tear-up when he didn't need to, and would get caught. But he is also one of the most elusive fighters you could ever see, when he wanted to be.

[robertzimmerman]

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I personally believe a prime Calzaghe has all the tools needed to beat any version of Roy.

Likewise.

You can believe what you want to mate. But ask yourself why he starved himself to make SMW in order to defend a lightly regarded title for 10 years, instead of moving up to LHW to try and fight the likes of Roy.

Ask yourself why he said the following:

1999: "I'm not chasing Roy Jones. I don't want tough fights"

2003: "I'd need the 'crown ***els' to face Roy due to the element of risk involved.

Joe was with Showtime for a short period in the late 90's/early 00's, and they wanted him to move up to LHW and fight in the U.S. but he wasn't interested.

We both know why that was.

Joe had a lot of great attributes and he was awkward. But he never possessed the mental strength to have targeted a prime version of Roy. He only fought him in 2008 because he knew that he was easy pickings.

[W1LL]

Likewise.

You can believe what you want to mate. But ask yourself why he starved himself to make SMW in order to defend a lightly regarded title for 10 years, instead of moving up to LHW to try and fight the likes of Roy.

Ask yourself why he said the following:

1999: "I'm not chasing Roy Jones. I don't want tough fights"

2003: "I'd need the 'crown ***els' to face Roy due to the element of risk involved.

Joe was with Showtime for a short period in the late 90's/early 00's, and they wanted him to move up to LHW and fight in the U.S. but he wasn't interested.

We both know why that was.

Joe had a lot of great attributes and he was awkward. But he never possessed the mental strength to have targeted a prime version of Roy. He only fought him in 2008 because he knew that he was easy pickings.

Okay pal no need to try ruin a perfectly good thread by hating on a fighter and going off on a tangent. You don't like my opinion that's fair enough, but let's keep it moving hey.

[robertzimmerman]

Okay pal no need to try ruin a perfectly good thread by hating on a fighter and going off on a tangent. You don't like my opinion that's fair enough, but let's keep it moving hey.

Hating?

On what grounds?

Everything I said is true.

[robertzimmerman]

Not sure how many Calzaghe fights you've actually watched, but this is a laughable statement. Joe would get into a tear-up when he didn't need to, and would get caught. But he is also one of the most elusive fighters you could ever see, when he wanted to be.

Mate, what are you talking about?

It was his biggest flaw.

Everyone knows that.

He was always susceptible to right hands, all throughout his career. I was a fan of his when I was younger, and I watched every single fight of his, from 1996 onwards.

There is nothing remotely laughable about that statement. And it's actually making me wonder how many fights of his you have seen.

[Gillie]

Antonio Tarver?

Do you think the first Tarver fight ends up being reasonably close if Roy didn't have to melt of 25 lbs of muscle to get to 175?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Zimmy, Joe did just fine considering he was stuck under the contractual thumb of Warren who ruled boxing like never seen in those isles.

Prime Popkins paid a $2mil judgement to Dibella to skip out of his contract to face SuperJoe. As soon as he could, he came to the US to humiliate Popkins and carve up Roy like a turkey when they were still highly ranked.

What, you was in diapers then? OK then!!!

[robertzimmerman]

- -Zimmy, Joe did just fine considering he was stuck under the contractual thumb of Warren who ruled boxing like never seen in those isles.

Prime Popkins paid a $2mil judgement to Dibella to skip out of his contract to face SuperJoe. As soon as he could, he came to the US to humiliate Popkins and carve up Roy like a turkey when they were still highly ranked.

What, you was in diapers then? OK then!!!

Stuck under Frank W's contractual thumb?

Ha!

Yeah, okay mate.

I'm sure Frank held a gun to his head and literally forced him to keep signing contract extensions.

Please!

I lived through the era. Joe killed himself to make weight to fight in a weak division, and he blew his Showtime contract because he wouldn't fight in the U.S. to raise his profile. He's also on record stating how proud he was of his number of WBO defences.

Don't imply that he wanted the bigger fights earlier but he couldn't get them. No. That's not what happened at all. It was his choice to spend 14 years at SMW with Frank W. The guy was happy to fight guys like Salem, Veit, Mkrtchyan and Ashira etc, even when he was in his 30's.

Saying that he moved up and fought in the U.S. as soon as he could is an absolute joke.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Do you think the first Tarver fight ends up being reasonably close if Roy didn't have to melt of 25 lbs of muscle to get to 175?

That's fair the first time. We see it happen all the time in MMA. Look at iron-jawed dudes like Dillashaw and Whitaker when they cut too much weight. You can argue that other variables must be considered, and I'd agree. But excessive dehyration and muscle loss will make even the most physically gifted and durable men fragile.


Still, it's Roy's fault for making the agreement. It's his fault for settling on the ropes. And it's his fault for never rebounding.

It's excessive and unfair to say Roy was exposed. But that's about 75% of what happened.