Flashback...Rivals Roid Jones, Jr ducked: Steve Collins (and more)

[TeamElite]

Steve Collins was a quality fighter no doubt but Jones was juiced to the eyeballs yet still the worst cherrypicking ducker of his generation. It's just that simple.......

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[just the facts]

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Stay in your own lane and don't put words in my mouth. Coggsugger!

[Curtis Harper]

As with May, just because he didn't get to fight some guys or some guys in their prime, doesn't mean a duck happened. Even more, doesn't mean that guy stood a chance.

This is the business of making money. We keep saying how we hope Boxer A retires with enough money blahblahblah.........

Well, when a guy reaches a certain level, that monetary moves up with them. More to retire on blahblahblah......

Anyone RJJ didn't fight would most likely have lost. I know, that's not how the fight game works....

Or does it ?!?!?!?

Let's be real. Threads like this exist only to somehow prove an ATG ducked a person who would have ''beaten'' them.....Even though they never fought.

Quite the double talk.

[Rusty Tromboni]

As with May, just because he didn't get to fight some guys or some guys in their prime, doesn't mean a duck happened. Even more, doesn't mean that guy stood a chance.

This is the business of making money. We keep saying how we hope Boxer A retires with enough money blahblahblah.........

Well, when a guy reaches a certain level, that monetary moves up with them. More to retire on blahblahblah......

Anyone RJJ didn't fight would most likely have lost. I know, that's not how the fight game works....

Or does it ?!?!?!?

Let's be real. Threads like this exist only to somehow prove an ATG ducked a person who would have ''beaten'' them.....Even though they never fought.

Quite the double talk.

Have you read through the posts. It's one of the better made threads on this site.

I do think Collins posed a threat to Jones. The money wasn't the reason the fight didn't happen.

I don't know if Collins would have beaten him. But Jones similarly avoided Michalczewski. Then it was that he felt judging outside of America would always be biased against him. Again, MAYBE. But it's not terribly convincing.

Once Boxing begin more vigorously screening for PEDs Jones deflated. Really, outside of a green Hopkins and James Toney, he doesn't really have any notable opponents.

Collins might've been an underdog. But look at McGregor vs. Aldo for all you need to know there. You have a ferocious roided-out monster in Jones fighting a deadgame old school fighter in Collins. Smart money would have come in BIG on Collins late. I'm sure Roy's advisers knew that.

[Curtis Harper]

Have you read through the posts. It's one of the better made threads on this site.

I do think Collins posed a threat to Jones. The money wasn't the reason the fight didn't happen.

I don't know if Collins would have beaten him. But Jones similarly avoided Michalczewski. Then it was that he felt judging outside of America would always be biased against him. Again, MAYBE. But it's not terribly convincing.

Once Boxing begin more vigorously screening for PEDs Jones deflated. Really, outside of a green Hopkins and James Toney, he doesn't really have any notable opponents.

Collins might've been an underdog. But look at McGregor vs. Aldo for all you need to know there. You have a ferocious roided-out monster in Jones fighting a deadgame old school fighter in Collins. Smart money would have come in BIG on Collins late. I'm sure Roy's advisers knew that.

I have not read any comments. I didn't want my pov altered.

When fights don't happen, speculation will run amok. Usually biases will play a part (when the word 'duck' is used, you know how where that persons bias lays, unless unbiased proof of said duck is provided).

For me, if RJJ didn't fight someone, $$$$ was probably the sticking point. He is often saying if the money is right, he will fight. That's how a businessman handles their business. More is better than less.

To take on fights for less money can set the tone for future fights and no one wants that.

Anyway, since there's no way of proving either side, I stand by mho that no one beats a prime RJJ.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I have not read any comments. I didn't want my pov altered.

When fights don't happen, speculation will run amok. Usually biases will play a part (when the word 'duck' is used, you know how where that persons bias lays, unless unbiased proof of said duck is provided).

For me, if RJJ didn't fight someone, $$$$ was probably the sticking point. He is often saying if the money is right, he will fight. That's how a businessman handles their business. More is better than less.

To take on fights for less money can set the tone for future fights and no one wants that.

Anyway, since there's no way of proving either side, I stand by mho that no one beats a prime RJJ.

I canaccept people sayingCollins had no chance. He certainly would have been the underdog. But it's super su****ious that guys like Mayweather and Jones always seemed to ignore the elephant in the room. And the excuses provided, when they were pressed, where never terribly satisfactory.

As for Jones beating unbeatable. I agree he was very good, but the dude fought guys who couldn't have made waves in the amateurs in decades previous. ANd he fought them while on rocket fuel. It's not that he wasn't talented and capable, it's that perspective is grossly skewed.

Look at guys like Conn, Charles, Foster, Spinks... there's no reason to believe they don't figure him out.

This is all fantasy because they'll never fight. But think about it as if you were betting money on it. Suddenly making a choice here is like deciding an insurance policy or investment strategy. You're gonna avoid the ponzi schemes, and go for the proven product.

[robertzimmerman]

Have you read through the posts. It's one of the better made threads on this site.

I do think Collins posed a threat to Jones. The money wasn't the reason the fight didn't happen.

I don't know if Collins would have beaten him. But Jones similarly avoided Michalczewski. Then it was that he felt judging outside of America would always be biased against him. Again, MAYBE. But it's not terribly convincing.

Once Boxing begin more vigorously screening for PEDs Jones deflated. Really, outside of a green Hopkins and James Toney, he doesn't really have any notable opponents.

Collins might've been an underdog. But look at McGregor vs. Aldo for all you need to know there. You have a ferocious roided-out monster in Jones fighting a deadgame old school fighter in Collins. Smart money would have come in BIG on Collins late. I'm sure Roy's advisers knew that.

Ha!

Oh my.

Just when I thought you couldn't be any dumber, you produce this gem.

It's one of the better posts made on this site?

The guy who wrote it is mentally ill.

You don't know if Collins would have beaten him?

Collins had his hands full with a faded Eubank and he lost to every good fighter he faced.

Roy was on another planet.

No, Roy did not avoid Dariusz.

Just STOP posting on this subject.

You are absolutely clueless and your posts are CRINGEWORTHY.

You are completely and utterly out of your depth here.

[robertzimmerman]

I canaccept people sayingCollins had no chance. He certainly would have been the underdog. But it's super su****ious that guys like Mayweather and Jones always seemed to ignore the elephant in the room. And the excuses provided, when they were pressed, where never terribly satisfactory.

As for Jones beating unbeatable. I agree he was very good, but the dude fought guys who couldn't have made waves in the amateurs in decades previous. ANd he fought them while on rocket fuel. It's not that he wasn't talented and capable, it's that perspective is grossly skewed.

Look at guys like Conn, Charles, Foster, Spinks... there's no reason to believe they don't figure him out.

This is all fantasy because they'll never fight. But think about it as if you were betting money on it. Suddenly making a choice here is like deciding an insurance policy or investment strategy. You're gonna avoid the ponzi schemes, and go for the proven product.

There were no excuses regarding Collins.

Roy's team offered Collins the opportunity to fight in late 96, but Collins was busy with Benn. And there was no issue with that.

Roy then tried to fight Liles and Nardiello for the other belts. But they didn't want to know. So he moved up to LHW.

When Collins had finished with Benn, his team then made offers to Roy. But by that time, Roy was already in camp for Griffin and he was looking at facing Hill afterwards.

After being DQ'd in the first fight with Griffin, Roy was then desperate for the rematch.

Collins was then scheduled to face Calzaghe but he retired.

Then 2 and half years later, Collins went to Pensacola for the Frazier fight. They met afterwards, and Roy gave Stan Levin the green light to make the fight. But then his other advisor, Murad Muhammad came on board, and he talked Roy out of it after speaking with HBO's DiBella, as they'd got Reggie Johnson lined up to unify instead. DiBella preferred that fight, as Collins was a SMW who hadn't fought in a long time, and the network was under pressure as they'd suffered huge criticism from Roy's mandatory fight against Frazier. So Roy went and fought Reggie in a unification fight. Then shortly afterwards, Howard Eastman knocked Collins down in sparring whilst he was preparing to fight on Calzaghe's undercard in a comeback fight. He was then advised to retire by a doctor. He then took that advice and promptly retired.

What's written above is factual.

Not my fan boy opinion, but actual FACTS.

Roy didn't duck Steve Collins.

He had no reason to duck him. Just look at the guys who he fought, as well as the guys he tried to fight.

It was just bad timing.

I've got huge respect for Collins. He was a warrior. But it doesn't constitute as a duck, just because he wanted the fight and it never happened.

Here's a question for you:

Do you think that Collins ducked Calzaghe?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ha!

Collins had his hands full with a faded Collins

Sounds like you spend your alone time on sites the rest of you don't and would rather not know about.

Don't you think it's a little inappropriate to be discussing another man's self-gratification practices here? And is Mr. Collins aware these personal photos are available on line?

Does Roy Jones know that your creepy infatuation isn't limited to him?


As for that creepy infatuation... what do you consider to be Jones' finest performance? And who do you rank as his most impressive opponent/scalp?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Roy and Colly were supposed to fight a couple of years ago, but as I take it, the money wasn't there, nor was Colly ever the marquee star fans wanted to see.

So that's two strikes against him as far as making good fights once he got near the top, and maybe like Charley Burley he was difficult to deal with, so why would any promoter bother if he couldn't make any money out of the deal. He also had a limited career, apparently taking enough punches to damage him, but at the British level he had good traction.

Could be his best fight was against McCallum where we can better see his strengths and weaknesses. Doubt many in his era lie awake kicking themselves because they never faught him.

McCallum analogous in that he and his supporters are always moaning how the big four of his era ducked him when in fact he was a nobody just breaking into the ranks and all had bigger fish to fry than a small fry at that point in his career. He never got over Manny preferring Hearns over him, but that's the way that cookie crumbled.