The greatest unbeaten heavyweight champion

[billeau2]

Thanks for letting me know it is interesting. It is disheartening when folks tell you in a history section they're not up for reading any history.

Anthony is a top notch poster and we both have a similar Marciano avatar so I'm going to take that as a big compliment too. You've made my day! If I can pass for Tony then I ain't half bad myself I reckon.

I've been here a while I just don't post that often for very long. Similar feelings to the ones you've expressed; much of this forum and its authority figures are jokers and clowns. I suppose I'd qualify as a temporary stranger to educate.

My understanding of the ancient world is incomplete, but, as I understand it to be placed in front of one another in a manner like the encyclopedia describes you'd first need a call for klimax. Again, to my understanding, I could be wrong. Klimax would be called when there was little action and its description, depending on era, do sound rather similar. The restricted movement and inability to do anything but wallop one another or hold guard is Klimax I'm just not sure if there's any other reasons to pop them on a pair of stones and have them batter one another with spikes.

When boxing shifts from Greece to Rome to changes its name and some of the rules. During the roman era Pygmachia would become Pyx and during Pyx you certainly had spiked and blades wraps. I'd imagine Melankomas would have done it often but there's so little information on him who knows.

They even had a special name for the spiked gloves. I mean one beyond cestus. I've forgotten the Greek word for it but in english they were called ant bites. Playful language I think but the bases is because of the state they leave your skin in.


I'll give you my points

I gave Lefty my points once... They still grab them at will lol.

What is your sense of how difficult it would be for one of the champions that won in all three divisions... the Wrestling, Boxing, and Pankraton to do so? To me depending on the amount of competitors, etc this would be an amazing feat. Especially if the Greeks had a good response to these games. Also I doubt the winner was given a "time out" to take a few months before having to compete in the next event.

Im asking because to my way of thinking, the feat makes the champion who accomplished it, and you have at least two guys who did so... Human supermen!

[Marchegiano]

I gave Lefty my points once... They still grab them at will lol.

What is your sense of how difficult it would be for one of the champions that won in all three divisions... the Wrestling, Boxing, and Pankraton to do so? To me depending on the amount of competitors, etc this would be an amazing feat. Especially if the Greeks had a good response to these games. Also I doubt the winner was given a "time out" to take a few months before having to compete in the next event.

Im asking because to my way of thinking, the feat makes the champion who accomplished it, and you have at least two guys who did so... Human supermen!

For me personally I have to take my...I don't even know what the word for is, cool bias I guess? Somethings I reckon are just cooler than others and it's hard for me to say that isn't the best.

I am just absolutely taken by the born to do it sorts. Like Glaukos, just a bit of training because what they came with naturally will carry them. It's like the Tyson quote but even bigger and grander. All those plans, all that training, a whole lifetime of preparation, right out the damn windows with one right smack. So those guys get my heart.




I think the fact that we have yet to, even if we include bare knuckle in all its forms, even see half the length of time the ancients boxed tells quite a lot. We've been boxing about three centuries. They boxed well over a millennium.

In that over a thousand years of history they were only able to produce two Downing Champions. The closest thing I know of to that is 2010 Alistair Overeem being the K-1 and Strikeforce champion. K-1 was near dead and SF wasn't far behind so that's hardly a close call to the Olympians.

That alone ought to tell you the lack of probability. In the modern era it seems damn near impossible. I don't think it's fair to say it would have been easier then. How often it happened reflects how damn near impossible it has always been.

On top of ths Theo was deified by the druids and barbarians of germany and Klieto was so impactful men to this day abstain from *** pre-fight.



The Periodinikes ( like undisputed today, won all four major event = all four major titles), The Heavy Champion, the man not even death can save you from; Theo is the baddest man to ever have a boxing story told about him.


If I'm trying to be fair:

Theaganese (this spelling I got from dealing with members of the foundation for the hellenic world. I just figured since those fellas are greek and know so much I'd use it too)

Marciano

Klietomachos

Melankomas

Glaukos

Pierce

Brian

Lyons

Wormald

Fearns

If I go with my heart:

Marciano

Glaukos

Theo

Mel

Pierce

Klieto

Brian

Lyons

Wormald

Fearns


Fearns is lowest man for me because he didn't do much, but I do like the mystery of him and reckon to the right person taking that one fight to lick the champ and then going back to your life is probably powerful stuff. Of them Jack Fearns had nothing to prove....so while I put him down low on both lists I don't actually dislike the character.



Edit- Henri W. Pleket has calculated that to obtain such a record Theogenes had to compete in two festivals a month

[Marchegiano]

I had meant to include Joe Coburn as a bonus figure. He does have losses, but he was a MW to HW champion during the bare knuckle era who only recorded a gloved loss and a wrestling loss. Hardly fair to say he was beaten in the ring given he lost a special rules bout, but also unfair to claim he's as unblemished as Marciano and the others.

CBZ:

[OctoberRed]

For me personally I have to take my...I don't even know what the word for is, cool bias I guess? Somethings I reckon are just cooler than others and it's hard for me to say that isn't the best.

I am just absolutely taken by the born to do it sorts. Like Glaukos, just a bit of training because what they came with naturally will carry them. It's like the Tyson quote but even bigger and grander. All those plans, all that training, a whole lifetime of preparation, right out the damn windows with one right smack. So those guys get my heart.




I think the fact that we have yet to, even if we include bare knuckle in all its forms, even see half the length of time the ancients boxed tells quite a lot. We've been boxing about three centuries. They boxed well over a millennium.

In that over a thousand years of history they were only able to produce two Downing Champions. The closest thing I know of to that is 2010 Alistair Overeem being the K-1 and Strikeforce champion. K-1 was near dead and SF wasn't far behind so that's hardly a close call to the Olympians.

That alone ought to tell you the lack of probability. In the modern era it seems damn near impossible. I don't think it's fair to say it would have been easier then. How often it happened reflects how damn near impossible it has always been.

On top of ths Theo was deified by the druids and barbarians of germany and Klieto was so impactful men to this day abstain from *** pre-fight.



The Periodinikes ( like undisputed today, won all four major event = all four major titles), The Heavy Champion, the man not even death can save you from; Theo is the baddest man to ever have a boxing story told about him.


If I'm trying to be fair:

Theaganese (this spelling I got from dealing with members of the foundation for the hellenic world. I just figured since those fellas are greek and know so much I'd use it too)

Marciano

Klietomachos

Melankomas

Glaukos

Pierce

Brian

Lyons

Wormald

Fearns

If I go with my heart:

Marciano

Glaukos

Theo

Mel

Pierce

Klieto

Brian

Lyons

Wormald

Fearns


Fearns is lowest man for me because he didn't do much, but I do like the mystery of him and reckon to the right person taking that one fight to lick the champ and then going back to your life is probably powerful stuff. Of them Jack Fearns had nothing to prove....so while I put him down low on both lists I don't actually dislike the character.



Edit- Henri W. Pleket has calculated that to obtain such a record Theogenes had to compete in two festivals a month

Good stuff.

[Marchegiano]

I'm gonna test some Plaza stuff.

If this is rule-breaking then I apologize but it's not mentioned anywhere and I noticed I could do it, so, I wanted to give it a shot and see if it actually worked. If there's nothing but a normal bump when you're reading this it means what I've tried to do does not actually work.

[The Old LefHook]

Educated boxing fans lock arms in their agreement that Marciano was the most complete boxer to ever grace a ring--so complete that he hardly had to change at all from contender to champion. Even when he came out of retirement to fight Cassius Clay, he barely needed to amend his style, a bout many feel he won.

[Dariusz]

It's very simple. Either Tunney or Marciano.