Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis?

[K-DOGG]

hahaha, no offense sorry.

None taken *mumbles to self*

[K-DOGG]

I somewhat have to agree with Blockhead.

People do overrate Muhammad Ali. That is when his name is mentioned with other fighters, he is superior to all of them because people are so closed minded about Ali. No fighter is invincible. Every fighter can be beaten because of styles. But because there so many people that dont think this is true, Ali has become a little overrated.

But you cant argue about people calling him the greatest. What he did outside the ring is bigger than any boxer ever lived has done. What he did inside the ring was also backed up. He beat the legends of his time and has basicely shown that he is a true ''great'' fighter. So i cant argue with that because Ali beat all the greats of his eras.

Anyway, about the topic. I cant choose. they were both great in diffirent ways.

Oh yeah, people do overate him because he was larger than life; but I personally think his ring merits do measure up. And, I did admit my bias, earleir; but yes, he is overrated by a few due to his own self-promotion.

[marvdave]

Ali is not overrated.............he has earned every merit he received.

my top three

Ali
Louis
Holmes

[Heckler]

ali is a great fighter dont get me wrong, but the constant claims that he is the "greatest" and so on are absurd. i mean please, james toney has a better record than ali and he has been successfull in more weight classes. i am not saying that toney is better i am just using him as an example.

How are they absurd at all? A very strong case can be made for Muhammad Ali being rated the number 1 Heavy of all time. Justify your position with some kind of reasoning at the very least. He beat 3 men that often sit somewhere in an historians top 10, dominanted in the era with the deepest talent pool. If you think people rate Ali as the greatest HW soley on the basis of his self-promotion you are wrong. Herbert Goldman, Nigel Collins, Steve Farhood, and Arthur Harris all consider Ali to be the greatest of all time? Those historians know nothing about boxing i assume?

I have no problem with Ali being rated below Louis, but to imply he doesn't deserve strong consideration for number 1 is ridiculous.

[blockhead]

How are they absurd at all? A very strong case can be made for Muhammad Ali being rated the number 1 Heavy of all time. Justify your position with some kind of reasoning at the very least. He beat 3 men that often sit somewhere in an historians top 10, dominanted in the era with the deepest talent pool. If you think people rate Ali as the greatest HW soley on the basis of his self-promotion you are wrong. Herbert Goldman, Nigel Collins, Steve Farhood, and Arthur Harris all consider Ali to be the greatest of all time? Those historians know nothing about boxing i assume?

I have no problem with Ali being rated below Louis, but to imply he doesn't deserve strong consideration for number 1 is ridiculous.

ali got ift decision after gift decision. i rank him at no.2 all time heavies and its just my opinion that putting him above joe louis is absurd.

[Heckler]

ali got ift decision after gift decision. i rank him at no.2 all time heavies and its just my opinion that putting him above joe louis is absurd.

How is putting him over Joe Louis absurd? its arguable ill admit... but ABSURD? all these historians, IBRO members that do rate Ali as the number one Heavy are being absurd? If you can't see that Ali deserves to be considered for number 1 and such a ranking can be justified you really need to brush up on your boxing knowledge.

Before you said he wasn't even No.2? Gift decision after gift decision... right thats a myth. He was gifted in Ali-Norton III and gifted in Ali-young and possibly against shavers. If you think he was gifted in anyother fights... sit down, actually watch and score the fights and you should conclude otherwise.

Ali is definately overrated and often thought of some kind of unbeatable super-human... and even at his best like all greats of the past he COULD be beaten. But he is often ranked number 1, and a career that was nothing short of amazing justifies considering him for this position.

[Hard Boiled HK]

It is absolutely NOT absurb to rank Ali at the top spot. Like Heckler stated, it's arguable, but not absurb.

[Mike Tyson77]

18 to 11 in favor of Ali. I know we have more than 29 members here. Still to close to call.

[butterfly1964]

ali got ift decision after gift decision. i rank him at no.2 all time heavies and its just my opinion that putting him above joe louis is absurd.

Oh, so Joe Louis didn't get gift decisions?

[Southpaw Stinger]

Oh, so Joe Louis didn't get gift decisions?

Walcott springs to mind.