Holyfield in interview: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

[HOUDINI563]

Not sold on Louis? There is a reason why he is considered universally top two hwt champion. No other hwt champion displayed his level of skill. Just watch the last two punches that ended his bouts with Galento and Conn (2). Trip hammer quick and deadly. Those last two blows that koed Galento would have stopped anyone. Freight train left hook.

[HOUDINI563]

He's not talking about VITAMINS. ROIDS have only become a science over the last 30 years.

[QueensburyRules]

--- dunno what you talk of, eh?

Science has been around since before some stentorian straight jacket gave it a label. They were experimenting with ""roid"" substances in the 30s before they became available to weightlifters primarily who were the only ones serious about muscles back then.

Baseball and boxing considered extra muscles to be a handicap al the way into the 80s. When players and boxers started using weight gyms for conditioning, that when steroids got a foothold. Now it's got a stranglehold on modern idiot know it alls who insist ninny grams contamination is evidence of steroid cheating when the most of the western world food and water supplies are contaminated in a mess of modern drugs and heavy metals, ect.

Can't see the forest for calculating the total ninny grams of trees, eh?

Only in boxing!

[Joe Beamish]

Holyfield had success because drugs. Full stop

[BKM-]

--- Vitamins have been available since the post ww2 40s if you want to go there.

If what your saying is everyone on planet earth since is on vitamins, why ain't I?

I suspect even if an average fanboy on vitamins, you really don't know what you are talking about as I have proven over the many years.

I was offered them in the 80s, but why should I take them as a healthy male naturally producing my own male vitamins as nature intended?

But according to silly modern know it alls, that's impossible.

Yeah, right, and give me your bank account number an I give you a steal on lakefront property in Houston...only in boxing!

Mike's the guy who(post-career) admitted to using a fake penis containing someone else's urine to pass his drug tests(and earlier in his career like in the 80s there wasn't even any drug testing yet), and who knew what growth hormone was and said he would have used that "if he used PED's in his prime" in another interview.

He was clearly on atleast HGH by the time he was 14 to 15 years old under Cus. He did no weight training, almost zero resistance training at all at that and yet at that age he was already a massively muscle bound world class athlete and was bigger than adult, natural body builders who do nothing but try to gain lean muscle all day every day. Great genetics maybe, even though he came from a family of obesity.

He exhibited that unnatural dryness and signs like oversized veiny traps, neck, upperchest and capped deltoids. His skull shape was 100% clearly showing signs of a lot of growth hormone usage, no question whatsoever. That's not a natural looking person in any way.

And if you look at how extreme and draining his training schedule was without ever being overtrained it's obvious that he was on all kinds of steroids to recover quickly from training which is the main purpose of these drugs.

You think Evander was "cheating"? No, he was tapping into the same cookie jar everyone else was getting their dirty little hands in.

Evander was the least "cheating" of the era. Guy didn't really start upping his dosages untill the early 90s. This was him for many years:


Mike was already on Cus' huge ****tail of PED's @15


On an even playing field(where he was still smaller than most), Evander was the best.

[HOUDINI563]

Your shortcomings regarding this sport is laughably minimalistic. There is a huge difference between taking substances without a scientific strategy as it was 30 or more years ago and today where ROIDS are a proven but illegal science.

[QueensburyRules]

Mike's the guy who(post-career) admitted to using a fake penis containing someone else's urine to pass his drug tests(and earlier in his career like in the 80s there wasn't even any drug testing yet), and who knew what growth hormone was and said he would have used that "if he used PED's in his prime" in another interview.

He was clearly on atleast HGH by the time he was 14 to 15 years old under Cus. He did no weight training, almost zero resistance training at all at that and yet at that age he was already a massively muscle bound world class athlete and was bigger than adult, natural body builders who do nothing but try to gain lean muscle all day every day. Great genetics maybe, even though he came from a family of obesity.

He exhibited that unnatural dryness and signs like oversized veiny traps, neck, upperchest and capped deltoids. His skull shape was 100% clearly showing signs of a lot of growth hormone usage, no question whatsoever. That's not a natural looking person in any way.

And if you look at how extreme and draining his training schedule was without ever being overtrained it's obvious that he was on all kinds of steroids to recover quickly from training which is the main purpose of these drugs.

You think Evander was "cheating"? No, he was tapping into the same cookie jar everyone else was getting their dirty little hands in.

Evander was the least "cheating" of the era. Guy didn't really start upping his dosages untill the early 90s. This was him for many years:


Mike was already on Cus' huge ****tail of PED's @15


On an even playing field(where he was still smaller than most), Evander was the best.

--- Sweet Faerie tales compels me to begin yer wall to wall text.

Clearly the all time men of alltime like Achilles and Ajax were on PEDs in the nancy space of modern limitations.

Crimony, Achilles mom dipped him in a river of HGH and Testosterone, and the rest engraved in stone history!

[QueensburyRules]

--- Hoo dat Hoodini?

MDs been handing out steroids since the at least the 60s after any major surgery to enhance recovery.

It was after a career ending Achilles tear that BALCO Barry Bonds was exposed to steroids, and the rest settled history of the largest performance spike in athletic history exacerbated by him being well past prime years.

Yeah, right, so you gonna accuse me of being wrong after I have proven that men produce their own vitamins?

Nothin like a free PED comedy hour...thanks fer the guffaws...

[HOUDINI563]

You know nothing of science. Doctors are not scientists. Pre 1980 give or take Roids were taken in a "back alley" approach to improving recovery time post workout. Today it's a full blown science with athletes knowing which products to take and when and in what specific doses.

[BKM-]

^^&^^^I'm having a hard time trying to decipher the old man's replies.

Your shortcomings regarding this sport is laughably minimalistic. There is a huge difference between taking substances without a scientific strategy as it was 30 or more years ago and today where ROIDS are a proven but illegal science.

This is ironic because your post exhibits the lack of knowledge, sir. It is actually less ideal today than back then. Today there may be more substances available and they have a better idea of its effects, but today we have regular drug testing which means that you cannot go all out on the juicing, you have to constantly cycle this stuff so that it gets out of your system and you don't test positive. Back in the day there was no drug testing, you could take whatever you wanted for as long as you wanted.

And it's still not an exact science at all. Not everybody reacts the same to steroids and growth hormones. It's still unpredictable and risky. Evander himself with his top tier genetics had some health problems from this stuff for a couple of years.