Don Turner on Marciano

[OCPancho]

Interesting point here: I asked my recently deceased dad if the modern musicians were better than the old timers and he told me that yes they were. he told me they could play more notes, and had technical skills that were far in excess because of progress.

One thing you constantly hear from guys who saw fighters from several generations, guys like Turner, is the opposite. They all say that the guys today do not have the technical skills, the ability to do what guys did in the ring classically. Who do we have now who is such a puncher that they will hit a man on the arms, the shoulders, anywhere? Golovkin? lol

And how many heavyweights did he see who could hook with a fake jab? Vlad is a master of it.
Tony Galento knocked down Joe Louis .
Primo Carnera was a champ one time.

[The Old LefHook]

Turner may have worked with Marciano for the Ali "bout." That would probably have put him in his early twenties.

"What did Holyfield do better than the Klits," asked the interviewer?

"He fought," said Turner.

[Ray Corso]

""Cause he can't punch." Lol!".............................

Been telling you guys this since I joined this club. Mayweather would be ok at 130, he could be a speedy boxer in most era's and at 130 his speed added to his punching ability.
However at 147 he gets brutalized against the great Welters. He can't punch at 147, he is VOID of power and when you fight greats you need to get some respect with your punch.

Met Turner years ago when Saad would come to me for prep work.
Trainers today need to tune in to Turner and learn some of the techniques that they know NOTHING about. It doesn't make them BAD trainers it does make them LESS informed.

Ray

[JAB5239]

""Cause he can't punch." Lol!".............................

Been telling you guys this since I joined this club. Mayweather would be ok at 130, he could be a speedy boxer in most era's and at 130 his speed added to his punching ability.
However at 147 he gets brutalized against the great Welters. He can't punch at 147, he is VOID of power and when you fight greats you need to get some respect with your punch.

Met Turner years ago when Saad would come to me for prep work.
Trainers today need to tune in to Turner and learn some of the techniques that they know NOTHING about. It doesn't make them BAD trainers it does make them LESS informed.

Ray

I am not a fan of Mayweather, never have been. But I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. Barney Ross (one of my all-time favorites) wasn't much of a puncher either, yet is ranked highly all time at welterweight. His comp was of course fantastic, but I'm not sure power translates into Mayweather not being a top fighter in any era. If I had to pick one reason he wouldn't be as great as he is today it would be because of his hands and having to fight a much busier schedule. There was no picking and choosing like there is today. And I certainly don't think he is an ATG Welter, but I do think he has the skills to be an upper echelon fighter in any era.

[Ray Corso]

"Mayweather would be ok at 130, he could be a speedy boxer in most era's and at 130 his speed added to his punching ability".

Don't you read posts you comment on?

At 130 he would have a better chance however he would not be a great fighter against great 130 pound men. Can you see him in with Armstrong or Ike Williams, I can't, they came to fight. That's Turners point is that the current guys come to win by decision but rarely look to dominate. The men in the past who were high caliber competitors look to beat the sh*!
out of you and have the goods to do it.

Mayweather fought well in his prime but at 147 he didn't fight he looked to counter move and counter punch. He would have been booed out of the venues if he fought like that back then.

Ray

[JAB5239]

"Mayweather would be ok at 130, he could be a speedy boxer in most era's and at 130 his speed added to his punching ability".

Don't you read posts you comment on?

At 130 he would have a better chance however he would not be a great fighter against great 130 pound men. Can you see him in with Armstrong or Ike Williams, I can't, they came to fight. That's Turners point is that the current guys come to win by decision but rarely look to dominate. The men in the past who were high caliber competitors look to beat the sh*!
out of you and have the goods to do it.

Mayweather fought well in his prime but at 147 he didn't fight he looked to counter move and counter punch. He would have been booed out of the venues if he fought like that back then.

Ray

Than how did Ross get away with it without being a great puncher, or sweet pea for that matter?

[Ray Corso]

Barney Ross would go toe to toe with Armstrong who did Mayweather go toe to toe with some guy from the lower weight classes moving up for some Mayweather money?

Floyd Mayweather could not carry Ross bags to the gym.
Did you see Mayweather run from a South American club fighter who chased him all over the ring for 12 rounds? His old man was begging him to FIGHT back!

Seriously watch Ross, Armstrong, Robinson etc fight.... then watch Mayweather as a welter! He's a sissy!

Ray

[JAB5239]

Barney Ross would go toe to toe with Armstrong who did Mayweather go toe to toe with some guy from the lower weight classes moving up for some Mayweather money?

Floyd Mayweather could not carry Ross bags to the gym.
Did you see Mayweather run from a South American club fighter who chased him all over the ring for 12 rounds? His old man was begging him to FIGHT back!

Seriously watch Ross, Armstrong, Robinson etc fight.... then watch Mayweather as a welter! He's a sissy!

Ray

If I'm not mistaken, and I know I'm not, Armstrong started out at featherweight.I would argue Coralles was a big ****er at any weight and Floyd destroyed him.because a fighter doesn't have power doesn't mean he can't compete. Case and point, Billy Conn.

It kills me you're making me defend Floyd.

[Ray Corso]

If I'm not mistaken Floyd fought Corrales at 130?
If you want to compare Corralles to Henry Armstrong go ahead but I'll sign off at that junction.

Billy Con got knocked out in the end. A better example could be Pep but Pep threw more punches than lil' Floyd did......at welter!

Ray

[ShoulderRoll]

Does that sound familiar? .............hahaha Mayweather my azz!


Ray

To Turner Mayweather would not be a contender in a decent era and the kid asks why...Turner looks at him like the kid just said "I don't know what the appeal of 22 year old Racquel Welch is, what do people see in her?"... and says matter of factly "Cause he can't punch." Lol!

Eddie Futch said that he had seen Floyd Mayweather make moves that he hasn't seen anyone make in 50 years.

Floyd's skills are legitimately old school, he is a living link to the training methods of a bygone era.

A special fighter without a doubt. No matter what Don Turner says.