Why Does Jack Johnson Get a Pass on Opposition while Marciano Does Not?

[travestyny]

Those are all claims by you lol

You're done dude. Delete your account.

Nah. I enjoyed proving you wrong here.

And I'm still enjoying you building the case for Dempsey being a racist


I came here to prove Joe Jeannette ran Dempsey out of NYC. Mission Accomplished . Meanwhile, you failed miserably

[travestyny]

As far as I know Dempsey's mother was in Utah during this time.

I guess the chick moves pretty quickly when there's blacks around her boy, huh?

[GhostofDempsey]

Dude please don't be one of those idiots that thinks college is constantly trying to instill something in you. Colleges are probably the most open minded places you can go. I've had ******* professors, conservative professors, radical professors and everyone in between. Nobody is trying to instill anything.

I can't even express how much of an idiotic thing that is to say. You actually believe that colleges are teaching blatantly false information. How do you think I even found out that negro was the racist term? Racism was normalized. It was literally blatantly systematic. This is the Jim Crow era we're talking about.

We were going over a primary source that said colored person and the professor interjected for a split second "colored being the polite term used by those that didn't express contempt for blacks" and that was it.

Just answer this, do you think it was acceptable and normal to openly dislike black people in the early 20th century? Or do you think it was frowned upon by today?

Looking back we can say negro was a derogatory term. From where we are now, but what I am saying is that during that era blacks themselves referred to one another as negro. Negro History Week began in 1926, changed to Black History Month in 1976. It wasn't until the mid-1960s and the Black Power movement that negro was no longer deemed appropriate. Those are just historical facts. Not sure where you went to college, but these are facts provided by a professor at the University or Chicago, so you can take it up with him.

[travestyny]

Looking back we can say negro was a derogatory term. From where we are now, but what I am saying is that during that era blacks themselves referred to one another as negro. Negro History Week began in 1926, changed to Black History Month in 1976. It wasn't until the mid-1960s and the Black Power movement that negro was no longer deemed appropriate. Those are just historical facts. Not sure where you went to college, but these are facts provided by a professor at the University or Chicago, so you can take it up with him.

Damn. Black Dempsey dropping knowledge! What can Mojo possibly respond to this???

[GhostofDempsey]

So getting back on the original topic of this thread, we know that:

Johnson drew the color line while HW champion

He fought the best black HW's while they were relatively inexperienced (McVea, Jeannette, and a stil not prime Langford) McVea was actually quite crude and not especially skilled or nuanced. Had less than ten fights when they fought. Jeannette was 10-10-1 when they fought to a draw for the last time they met.

He fought a lot of much smaller opponents, Langford wasn't even at the MW limit when they fought. Ketchel's was a MW and Choynski at 168 KO'd Johnson.

He was KO'd by Willard, and his subsequent twenty fights were against mostly lackluster opponents. Several making their pro debut and taking on five more losses in those ensuing twenty fights.

[Dempsey-Louis]

Last I checked, we just found out here that your boy ran away from Joe Jeanette!

In your statement above all the circumstances surrounding the event, as we discussed them, are once again gone.

[travestyny]

In your statement above all the circumstances surrounding the event, as we discussed them, are once again gone.

Huh? I'm not sure what you're saying.

[ShoulderRoll]

He fought the best black HW's while they were relatively inexperienced (McVea, Jeannette, and a stil not prime Langford)

You're another one of these guys that will criticize Johnson for fighting black HWs when they were inexperienced, yet you turn around and excuse Dempsey for NOT fighting black HWs because they were too experienced.

What kind of female logic is that?

[GhostofDempsey]

You're another one of these guys that will criticize Johnson for fighting black HWs when they were inexperienced, yet you turn around and excuse Dempsey for NOT fighting black HWs because they were too experienced.

What kind of female logic is that?

Dempsey had about 15 fights when he was offered a fight with Langford who was in his prime. You mad at Dempsey for being smart? Dempsey tried to make the fight with Wills but they jerked him around on the money. That's a fact.

So outside of Langford who was way more experienced who are these other "great" black fighters Dempsey ducked in their prime? McVea? He would have gotten KTFO. Jeannette? Doubtful he would have faired very well. He fought Battling Jim Johnson to a draw, same guy Dempsey KO'd cold. Who am I missing?

[travestyny]

So outside of Langford who was way more experienced who are these other "great" black fighters Dempsey ducked in their prime? McVea? He would have gotten KTFO. Jeannette? Doubtful he would have faired very well. He fought Battling Jim Johnson to a draw, same guy Dempsey KO'd cold. Who am I missing?

Isn't that why they fight the fights?

With your logic, couldn't someone just say Jack Johnson fighting Langford again? Why? It was a one sided beating.


You have been around this game long enough to know that triangle theories don't work. Come on.