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Marciano 49-0 vs. Mayweather 49-0.
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Originally posted by TBear View PostTo me, historically, holding an undisputed championship means everything. Sure there have been many great titlists that have not, but reaching that plateau raises your stock.
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Originally posted by Pigeons View PostConvient when that meant beating one person back in those days as opposed to at least 4 these days. The undisputed championship from back then is akin to the lineal title of today. Mayweather is a 5-time lineal champion in 4 weight classes.
Only time will answer that question and it wont be this year or next! Maybe 10 years will have to pass until we can even start to judge his career!
I'm fight fan not a hater!
Fights that might of change my opinion?
Fighting De La Hoya sooner or even taking the rematch in stead of retiring!
Taking on Paul Williams before the accident!
Margarito before the wraps!
Manny Pacquiao years before it happened (and i won't bring up the testing mess)!
Dare I say Kostya Tszyu?
Kids go to bed before I start talking about real scary tales!
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I wasn't aware of this thread, posted a similar thread in the general boxing forum a few days back. I think Rocky Marciano's record is much more impressive than Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s. I'd actually say Floyd done irreparable damage to his legacy with the Conor McGregor money-grab. It was a big "F### You!" to all those fans who stuck by him through the cherrypicking years.Last edited by W1LL; 10-27-2017, 04:33 AM.
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Originally posted by Pigeons View PostConvient when that meant beating one person back in those days as opposed to at least 4 these days. The undisputed championship from back then is akin to the lineal title of today. Mayweather is a 5-time lineal champion in 4 weight classes.Last edited by TBear; 10-27-2017, 07:14 AM.
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Originally posted by TBear View PostI understand you are a Mayweather fan, so when the Ring names him "Ring" champion, you assume he is lineal champion in all those divisions. Understand I am neither a Mayweather fan or a Mayweather hater. I just call it as I see it. And I was around before the Ring adopted that policy to fill "Ring title Vacancies". Previous to that if there was no lineal champion it was made when a fighter became the undisputed champion. Lennox Lewis did that, Tszyu even did it and Mayorga earned it when he beat Forrest. Mayorga lost to Spinks and down the line Mayweather earned it when he beat Baldomir. But Mayweather was not in to unifying titles in other divisions aside from super featherweight when he beat Corrales for two thirds if a title. It would not be hard for any "Star" to do this. Other stars welcomed the opportunity to prove themselves. If Mayweather fought in the era of Leonard do realistic fans think he would take the chance to fight an undefeated Tommy Hearns to prove himself? That is what real champions do.
Thats why Vampires and veryold families are so rich I guess. ****** Indians!! Should have given that money to me, I would have given you guys more belts and alphabet champions! I guess one should say "not so ****** Indians."
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Originally posted by TBear View PostI understand you are a Mayweather fan, so when the Ring names him "Ring" champion, you assume he is lineal champion in all those divisions. Understand I am neither a Mayweather fan or a Mayweather hater. I just call it as I see it. And I was around before the Ring adopted that policy to fill "Ring title Vacancies". Previous to that if there was no lineal champion it was made when a fighter became the undisputed champion. Lennox Lewis did that, Tszyu even did it and Mayorga earned it when he beat Forrest. Mayorga lost to Spinks and down the line Mayweather earned it when he beat Baldomir. But Mayweather was not in to unifying titles in other divisions aside from super featherweight when he beat Corrales for two thirds if a title. It would not be hard for any "Star" to do this. Other stars welcomed the opportunity to prove themselves. If Mayweather fought in the era of Leonard do realistic fans think he would take the chance to fight an undefeated Tommy Hearns to prove himself? That is what real champions do.
Please tell me which lineal claims you disagree with:
World Junior Lightweight Title (1998-2002; CBZ)
World Lightweight Title (2002-2004; CBZ, RING)
(2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008; CBZ, RING, 2010-2015; CBZ, RING, TBRB)
World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015; CBZ, RING, TBRB)
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Lineal doesn't mean shyt when you are fighting faded opponents. Genaro Hernandez was done by the time he fought Floyd, it was his last pro fight, Baldomir was shot and never great, came into the fight with his 9 losses. Castillo got robbed, so technically Floyd should never have won that title from him. Oscar was well past his prime. As usual with Mayweather, when you clear away the smoke and remove the carnival mirrors, you see the truth behind the legacy.
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