who are the greatest trainers in boxing history

[Yogi]

and that is? he helped train 2 of the youngest undisputed champions and champions of the world.how many guys do u know that can turn boys into men that quickly

If you're including all weight classes there's been plenty of fighters who have won world titles when younger than Tyson or Patterson, and I'll be ****ed if I was to call say, Gregorio Benitez one of the great trainers in history just because he trained his son who won a title at age 17...

In over 50 years as a rather one-dimensional trainer, how many fighters actually won titles while training under Cus' watchful eye...three?

[Verstyle]

If you're including all weight classes there's been plenty of fighters who have won world titles when younger than Tyson or Patterson, and I'll be ****ed if I was to call say, Gregorio Benitez one of the great trainers in history just because he trained his son who won a title at age 17...

In over 50 years as a rather one-dimensional trainer, how many fighters actually won titles while training under Cus' watchful eye...three?

but look at the short time it was done in. very short. thats called disipline training. not alot of trainers can do this right?

[Yogi]

but look at the short time it was done in. very short. thats called disipline training. not alot of trainers can do this right?

Again, plenty of trainers have trained fighters to win titles at a younger age than what Cus did, and heck, there's even plenty of trainers who trained fighters to win a title much faster than Cus did, like Rakamich or whatever his name was, who trained a fighter who won a world title in his third pro fight...

And it certainly took Jose Torres a long time to win a title, so that tells me that Cus found lightning in a bottle a couple of times in Patterson & Tyson, who had the natural ability to succeed a a young age (as did MANY different fighters)...Heck, you know the story on Cus' first viewing of watching a 14 year-old Tyson spar, I'm sure. After Bobby Stewart first helped out Mike with boxing lessons and after he brought up him to spar in front of the old trainer, Cus' first comment was along the lines of "that kid is going to be heavyweight champion some day".

Cus got lucky with that find, if you ask me, and if he was such a great trainer he most certianly had developed other fighters who had some success in the pro game, or at least had established fighters seek him out as their trainer. But no, from Torres & Patterson's time to Tyson's time, Cus didn't accomplish anything of note as a trainer and instead "toiled in relative obscurity" for those years, which is basically what he did in the years before Patterson came to him.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Again, plenty of trainers have trained fighters to win titles at a younger age than what Cus did, and heck, there's even plenty of trainers who trained fighters to win a title much faster than Cus did, like Rakamich or whatever his name was, who trained a fighter who won a world title in his third pro fight...

And it certainly took Jose Torres a long time to win a title, so that tells me that Cus found lightning in a bottle a couple of times in Patterson & Tyson, who had the natural ability to succeed a a young age (as did MANY different fighters)...Heck, you know the story on Cus' first viewing of watching a 14 year-old Tyson spar, I'm sure. After Bobby Stewart first helped out Mike with boxing lessons and after he brought up him to spar in front of the old trainer, Cus' first comment was along the lines of "that kid is going to be heavyweight champion some day".

Cus got lucky with that find, if you ask me, and if he was such a great trainer he most certianly had developed other fighters who had some success in the pro game, or at least had established fighters seek him out as their trainer. But no, from Torres & Patterson's time to Tyson's time, Cus didn't accomplish anything of note as a trainer and instead "toiled in relative obscurity" for those years, which is basically what he did in the years before Patterson came to him.

what made Cus so great for Tyson specifically was the fact that Tyson was a raw talent that was for the most part out of control. Cus was the only one that tyson would listen too, and he also kept Tyson on the right track. For instance if Cus was alive the whole Tyson-Douglas loss wouldn't have happened.

[Yogi]

P.S. Cus was also a hypocrite when it came to certain things (like the whole IBC situation), and with some minor differences between fighters (Torres was more of a jabber & mover than the other two), basically only trained his fighters to fight a certain way behind the peak-a-boo defense...He's rather one dimensional, whereas the more successful trainers in history usually train their fighters in a style that best suits the fighters' individual attributes.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

P.S. Cus was also a hypocrite when it came to certain things (like the whole IBC situation), and with some minor differences between fighters (Torres was more of a jabber & mover than the other two), basically only trained his fighters to fight a certain way behind the peak-a-boo defense...He's rather one dimensional, whereas the more successful trainers in history usually train their fighters in a style that best suits the fighters' individual attributes.

Like Charlie Goldman?
Though I'm only aware of him training Marciano he trained Marciano the way Marciano was.

[Yogi]

what made Cus so great for Tyson specifically was the fact that Tyson was a raw talent that was for the most part out of control. Cus was the only one that tyson would listen too, and he also kept Tyson on the right track. For instance if Cus was alive the whole Tyson-Douglas loss wouldn't have happened.

That's not true, at all, as Cus didn't keep Tyson on the right track as much as ignore the troubles Mike was getting into or, along with Jacobs, helped cover them up (such as the "forced sex" of that young Catskill's girl, which Jacobs admitted happened)...There's plenty of stories by eyewitnesses who basically stated that Cus spoiled Tyson, let him do waht he wanted to do, and gave him special treatment...

If anybody deserves the credit for giving just a little bit of guidance, discipline, and understanding to Tyson, that man would be Bobby Stewart.

[Verstyle]

That's not true, at all, as Cus didn't keep Tyson on the right track as much as ignore the troubles Mike was getting into or, along with Jacobs, helped cover them up (such as the "forced sex" of that young Catskill's girl, which Jacobs admitted happened)...There's plenty of stories by eyewitnesses who basically stated that Cus spoiled Tyson, let him do waht he wanted to do, and gave him special treatment...

If anybody deserves the credit for giving just a little bit of guidance, discipline, and understanding to Tyson, that man would be Bobby Stewart.

cus' was still a damn good trainer. how many trainers do u see make up there own boxing style? and succeed with it?

[RockyMarcianofan00]

That's not true, at all, as Cus didn't keep Tyson on the right track as much as ignore the troubles Mike was getting into o(such as the "forced sex" of that young Catskill's girl, which Jacobs admitted happenedr, along with Jacobs, helped cover them up )...There's plenty of stories by eyewitnesses who basically stated that Cus spoiled Tyson, let him do waht he wanted to do, and gave him special treatment...

If anybody deserves the credit for giving just a little bit of guidance, discipline, and understanding to Tyson, that man would be Bobby Stewart.

i was not even aware of this happening, I knew he ****d somebody but I thought it was when he was older. I don't know all that much about Tyson outside the ring though anyway

[Yogi]

Like Charlie Goldman?
Though I'm only aware of him training Marciano he trained Marciano the way Marciano was.

Yeah, like Charlie Goldman, who actually trained a younger fighter to win a title than did Cus (19 year old, Al McCoy) and was very well known for what I spoke of up there.