who are the greatest trainers in boxing history

[butterfly1964]

Eddie futch, angelo dundee, ray arcel, cus d'amato, and others.

[joeytrimble]

the trainer question is relitivly silly because your just gonna get the same group of know it alls shouting cus d ..angelo d and eddie futch over and over agian you wont hear any of them hollar archie moores trainer out or joe louis trainer ... you for damn sure wont hear them yelling the names of the guys who trained joe gans... maxie rosen or willie pep ...

so just stop acting like you guys know trainers because most of you just throw around the same 3 or 4 names every time just like when someone talks about the biggest hitter the best defense or whatever ...its always the same names lol

[Verstyle]

the trainer question is relitivly silly because your just gonna get the same group of know it alls shouting cus d ..angelo d and eddie futch over and over agian you wont hear any of them hollar archie moores trainer out or joe louis trainer ... you for damn sure wont hear them yelling the names of the guys who trained joe gans... maxie rosen or willie pep ...

so just stop acting like you guys know trainers because most of you just throw around the same 3 or 4 names every time just like when someone talks about the biggest hitter the best defense or whatever ...its always the same names lol

i personally liked what cus did. and i got to see it in person when i went to the catskill's gym. he has a strong legacy that was felt when i went there. and no 1 will change my mind about him being a great. u gotta be there to understand(catskills gym that is)

[Yogi]

i was not even aware of this happening, I knew he ****d somebody but I thought it was when he was older. I don't know all that much about Tyson outside the ring though anyway

In his younger days, Tyson has/had a lengthy history of getting himself into trouble with young girls & woman (according to his first biographer, who offered quotes from those closest to Tyson).

[joeytrimble]

i personally liked what cus did. and i got to see it in person when i went to the catskill's gym. he has a strong legacy that was felt when i went there. and no 1 will change my mind about him being a great. u gotta be there to understand(catskills gym that is)

thats cool though likeing him and bringing him up in the greatest coaches of all time every time is different know what i mean?your not running it down like a broken record

[SABBATH]

In his younger days, Tyson has/had a lengthy history of getting himself into trouble with young girls & woman (according to his first biographer, who offered quotes from those closest to Tyson).

Teddy Atlas was going to shoot Tyson when he made sexual advances to Teddy's 11 year old sister....

[Heckler]

Dundee?? No way. He took on two Olympic Gold medalists in Ali and Leonard, SO WHAT? And if it wasn't for Charlie Goldman, Dundee wouldn't know **** all.

Thats ridiculous. Both Ali and Sugar ray have admitted without Dundee they wouldn't have been as sucessful as they were. He was an incredible motivator, you couldn't hope to have a better person standing in your corner. He was experienced, calm under pressure and a very clever man in general.

'And if it wasn't for Charlie Goldman, Dundee wouldn't know **** all' What the **** does that mean? Are we to discredit Dundee for learning his craft from another man? Where do you suppose blackburn and goldman learned?

I wouldn't place Dundee on the same level as Goldman, Blackburn... i just thought he deserved a mention.

[Brassangel]

Tyson also apparently used to steal groceries from people after helping carry them across the street.

[SABBATH]

Thats ridiculous. Both Ali and Sugar ray have admitted without Dundee they wouldn't have been as sucessful as they were. He was an incredible motivator, you couldn't hope to have a better person standing in your corner. He was experienced, calm under pressure and a very clever man in general.

'And if it wasn't for Charlie Goldman, Dundee wouldn't know **** all' What the **** does that mean? Are we to discredit Dundee for learning his craft from another man? Where do you suppose blackburn and goldman learned?

I wouldn't place Dundee on the same level as Goldman, Blackburn... i just thought he deserved a mention.

Dundee's strength in developing those fighters had less to do with his technical teachings and more to do with how he built and guided his fighters by matchmaking in increments. Leonard in particular was trained by Janks Morton and Dave Jacobs. Dundee only showed up a week before the fight to oversee final training and map out the pre-fight strategy. It was a bone of contention with Leonard's manager Mike Trainer and almost severed the relationship early in Leonard's career.

If you survey the rise of both Ali and Leonard you will see their in the ring challenges becoming a little more difficult on their rise to the top. They never took a backwards step and fought a tomato can if they were already fighting world class competition. The were purposely given adversity early on to shape their physical and psychological development. How else could the relatively young and inexperienced Ali and Leonard win titles against such established and more experienced fighters like Liston and Benitez?

Dundee knew Sonny Liston had a big left hook so why do you think he matched him with guys like Cooper and Banks? Dundee said he wanted to see Ali get hurt to see how he would respond, it was all part of testing his fighter. He wasn't about to waste his time training a guy that would roll over and die in his first tough fight.

When Dundee matched Leonard with Ayub Kalule an undefeated 5'8 counterpunching southpaw middleweight who do you think Dundee was preparing Leonard to meet down the road? Same as when he matched him with hard hitting 6'1 middleweight Marcos Geraldo when Leonard was on the rise. Who do you think he was preparing Leonard for in that fight? Leonard had some trouble in those two fights both with Kalule's southpaw stance and Geraldo's height, reach, and power,but Leonard learned and gained experience which allowed him to better adapt to Hagler and Hearns when he finally did meet them.

[butterfly1964]

Dundee's strength in developing those fighters had less to do with his technical teachings and more to do with how he built and guided his fighters by matchmaking in increments. Leonard in particular was trained by Janks Morton and Dave Jacobs. Dundee only showed up a week before the fight to oversee final training and map out the pre-fight strategy. It was a bone of contention with Leonard's manager Mike Trainer and almost severed the relationship early in Leonard's career.

If you survey the rise of both Ali and Leonard you will see their in the ring challenges becoming a little more difficult on their rise to the top. They never took a backwards step and fought a tomato can if they were already fighting world class competition. The were purposely given adversity early on to shape their physical and psychological development. How else could the relatively young and inexperienced Ali and Leonard win titles against such established and more experienced fighters like Liston and Benitez?

Dundee knew Sonny Liston had a big left hook so why do you think he matched him with guys like Cooper and Banks? Dundee said he wanted to see Ali get hurt to see how he would respond, it was all part of testing his fighter. He wasn't about to waste his time training a guy that would roll over and die in his first tough fight.

When Dundee matched Leonard with Ayub Kalule an undefeated 5'8 counterpunching southpaw middleweight who do you think Dundee was preparing Leonard to meet down the road? Same as when he matched him with hard hitting 6'1 middleweight Marcos Geraldo when Leonard was on the rise. Who do you think he was preparing Leonard for in that fight? Leonard had some trouble in those two fights both with Kalule's southpaw stance and Geraldo's height, reach, and power,but Leonard learned and gained experience which allowed him to better adapt to Hagler and Hearns when he finally did meet them.

nice post. And if it wasn't for dundee, ali would have lost to cooper and liston.