President Ibeabuchi

[t.n]

I don't think AJ and Wlad are juiced not by their physique at least. I believe that AJ is somewhat a genetic monster that and his training plus right nutrition makes him look real ripped. And i find it a bit insulting to these guys when so many people are accusing them of juicing. Mike Tyson was already a muscle monster when he was 13-14years old and i find it hard to believe that he was on PED allready at that age.
And when people say AJ working too much like a bodybuilder has anyone actually looked how he trains, he doesn't really lift heavy that much does a lot cardio and agility training.
But yeah PED are common these days in a lot sports and i'm an athelete too not a professional athlete but i have been accused of juicing by a younger guy and i thought it was a bit funny and insulting. I think the PED accusations have really gone out of hand these days not everyone that looks ripped is juiced for f***s sake.

[mikeg1224]

My 2nd son is a lawyer who lives in Paris, France. He tells me it is common knowledge that a number of soccer & tennis players as well as boxers have been juicing for years.

I told him that, likewise here in the USA, many baseball & football players were on PEDs in the 1990s and 2000s--witness the number of HOFers not voted in yet like Bonds & Clemens and the monthly suspensions of NFLers due to PED use. For Pete's sake, even Lawrence Taylor had someone who was clean pee in his bottle when he was being tested; that's how lax the NFL policy was that it didn't even supervise the procedure.

Therefore, just like you, I have the same su****ions about some boxers. Weren't there some accusations against Manny Pacquiao and didn't his KO punches disappear after they were alleged?

[IMDAZED]

Uhhh...my dad is 87 years old. His friend (now deceased) was born in 1927. He was not juicing. He would not have had the motivation anyway, if juice had even been available then. He was not remotely interested in sports.

Was referring to Ike.

[BKM-]

I don't think AJ and Wlad are juiced not by their physique at least. I believe that AJ is somewhat a genetic monster that and his training plus right nutrition makes him look real ripped. And i find it a bit insulting to these guys when so many people are accusing them of juicing. Mike Tyson was already a muscle monster when he was 13-14years old and i find it hard to believe that he was on PED allready at that age.
And when people say AJ working too much like a bodybuilder has anyone actually looked how he trains, he doesn't really lift heavy that much does a lot cardio and agility training.
But yeah PED are common these days in a lot sports and i'm an athelete too not a professional athlete but i have been accused of juicing by a younger guy and i thought it was a bit funny and insulting. I think the PED accusations have really gone out of hand these days not everyone that looks ripped is juiced for f***s sake.

Lol buddy you just contradicted yourself. You refuse to believe AJ is using PED and then you mention that he doesn't even do any sort of bodybuilding training, which would still not give you that sort of physique naturally even if you dedicate your whole life to bodybuilding.

The fact that he's possibly the most muscular boxer ever without even doing much lifting says it all.

And I don't mind it at all because I believe every single one of them does the same. AJ is an olympian, these guys have access to the highest level of drugs that cannot be detected in the current drug testing science. MMA also has two former olympians who are extremely muscular(look up Yoel Romero and Hector Lombard) and they have passed almost all of their tests, even the random drug testing from USADA.

One last thing: Being a genetic freak and taking PED are not mutually exclusive things like some seem to think.

[t.n]

Lol buddy you just contradicted yourself. You refuse to believe AJ is using PED and then you mention that he doesn't even do any sort of bodybuilding training, which would still not give you that sort of physique naturally even if you dedicate your whole life to bodybuilding.

The fact that he's possibly the most muscular boxer ever without even doing much lifting says it all.

And I don't mind it at all because I believe every single one of them does the same. AJ is an olympian, these guys have access to the highest level of drugs that cannot be detected in the current drug testing science. MMA also has two former olympians who are extremely muscular(look up Yoel Romero and Hector Lombard) and they have passed almost all of their tests, even the random drug testing from USADA.

One last thing: Being a genetic freak and taking PED are not mutually exclusive things like some seem to think.

Yeah i know it's is contradicting but it doesn't automatically mean that he's juicing, he just could be a genetic freak of nature. That is why i mentioned Mike Tyson who i believe was a genetic freak too but of course i don't have any evidence for this but i'm pretty sure that no one can prove 100%certain that Mike or AJ are juiced. And from what i understand from steroids is that you would still have to lift more like a bodybuilder to get the accelarated muscle growth but i'm no expert on the subject.

I personally don't like PED's in sports and like to believe that their still are natural atheletes out there.

[joseph5620]

Did you ever watch Bruno vs. Floyd Jumbo Cummings?


Or Mike Weaver?


Ike was big-bulky but not sure if he held the record for the most muscular, if there is such a record.

True. If you go by physique alone, people would assume Ken Norton was using steroids.



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[BKM-]

Yeah i know it's is contradicting but it doesn't automatically mean that he's juicing, he just could be a genetic freak of nature. That is why i mentioned Mike Tyson who i believe was a genetic freak too but of course i don't have any evidence for this but i'm pretty sure that no one can prove 100%certain that Mike or AJ are juiced. And from what i understand from steroids is that you would still have to lift more like a bodybuilder to get the accelarated muscle growth but i'm no expert on the subject.

I personally don't like PED's in sports and like to believe that their still are natural atheletes out there.

Mike Tyson admitted to using a fake penis so that he would overcome drug tests, he is tainted much more. He is another guy who was extremely muscular without even doing any weight lifting. Nobody defies science like that, it just doesn't happen. The good thing is that Tyson's opponents were using PED as well(and a lot of recreational drugs too. That's 80s HW's for ya) same with AJ's opponents so it doesn't matter.

I really don't care that it's part of the sport, it's been going on for a very long time, longer than I'd like to discuss here.

[t.n]

Mike admitted to using a fake penis because of his drug use but never has he admitted to PED's. He was already muscular and bulky by the time he was 13 and i have a hard time believing he would have been on steroids already at that age mostly because he didn't seem to be that interested in sports in his early years so why would he, but well yeah you never know.

I know people who gain muscle really easy and people who struggle to gain any muscle and i believe that genetics and nutrition has a lot do with your physique and of course your training too.

[The Old LefHook]

As I said before, contemporary muscle exaggeration easily outstrips past muscle elephants. Next to Joshua or I.B., Norton does not even look that heavily muscled anymore. That says a lot, as people were constantly marveling over Kenny's body back in the day. Even Carnera no longer looks like a muscle elephant next to them. They are in another class of muscle from the bodies the public used to marvel over.

I repeat: Has weightlifting technique improved that much?

Or some might insist it is the egg whites without the yolk. Champs now eat chicken instead of steak. Bah!

[BKM-]

Mike admitted to using a fake penis because of his drug use but never has he admitted to PED's. He was already muscular and bulky by the time he was 13 and i have a hard time believing he would have been on steroids already at that age mostly because he didn't seem to be that interested in sports in his early years so why would he, but well yeah you never know.

I know people who gain muscle really easy and people who struggle to gain any muscle and i believe that genetics and nutrition has a lot do with your physique and of course your training too.

Mike Tyson is a genetic freak of course, natural or not. But his physique at the age of 13 to 14 was much different than he was 15. Puberty alone doesn't go that drastic. I believe that Cus God rest his soul started giving him dosages around that time.
Nobody looks like this naturally at age 15:

Most adult natural bodybuilders don't even look that massive and cut.

Unfortunately it is very common for crazy dads and coaches to drug their children in their early teens for sports like wrestling and gymnastics, HGH for basketball etc. it's not uncommon.

Tyson, 80s weak drug testing, years of prison filled with drug dealing, fake penis to dope tests. He does not pass the test buddy I'm sorry.