Rubin Hurricane Carter: Guilty or Innocent?

[The Old LefHook]

Now I ask, if it weren't for Bob Dylan, would we be discussing Carter over all the other fighters from days gone by? What I mean, did Dylan make Carter an item with his song? There were many fighters through history that did wrong, or were wronged by the times and many forgotten stories. Did Dylan who was a legendary song writer make Carter? What do you think?

An interesting thought. Carter is immortal now in a way he would never have been. Teary-eyed listeners can still hear the song and agree with the philosophy presented, even knowing Carter is most likely guilty. The power of Dylan. Many young or old listeners will hop on board for generations now, all teary without knowing some of the facts we do. The power of Dylan.

[phallus]

Max Baer was also defamed in that Cinderella Man movie.

this one really bothers me, as good as the Cinderella Man movie is i hate watching parts of it because the real Max Baer was nothing like the character shown in the film. Baer was a prettyboy who didn't like to train and got by on natural talent and punching power, the real reason Braddock beat him was because Baer had ****ing hollywood actresses after becoming hw champ and his training and motivation suffered. the real Max Baer was a fun loving guy almost everybody would like to go to a party with

Now I ask, if it weren't for Bob Dylan, would we be discussing Carter over all the other fighters from days gone by? What I mean, did Dylan make Carter an item with his song? There were many fighters through history that did wrong, or were wronged by the times and many forgotten stories. Did Dylan who was a legendary song writer make Carter? What do you think?

An interesting thought. Carter is immortal now in a way he would never have been. Teary-eyed listeners can still hear the song and agree with the philosophy presented, even knowing Carter is most likely guilty. The power of Dylan. Many young or old listeners will hop on board for generations now, all teary without knowing some of the facts we do. The power of Dylan.

i totally agree with the bold parts, dylan made a hero out of someone who was not

[The Old LefHook]

There are artistic rationalizations. One can say the song encapsulates the plight of the black man. Period.

These bolder truths are left unscathed by the inaccuracies concerning Carter. The black man still has his plight. Perhaps Dylan was so inspired he forgot his research, for it is a fine song even for the catalogue of Bob.

[Canelo and GGG]

What do you think? There is a lot of material out there on this case, only some of which can be counted on, we all know from internet experience.

Carter was not exonerated of his crimes when released from prison, as I understand it. The reason for his eventual release was improper procedure by a number of people involved with the investigation and trial.

I heard once that Bob Dylan went to visit Carter shortly after his release, and left the meeting pale as a ghost, apparently in mild shock, and never spoke of it again, as if Carter had scared him half to death. I have never heard a report of what was said in that meeting.

Carter did provably beat his new wife and her son after his release.

A violent temperament does not automatically mean guilt in a ****cide.

What is the real evidence, both physical and circumstantial that might exonerate or convict Carter?

there was no motive what so ever ,from what im hearing ,but 2 man entering a building and shooting ,thats how organised crime do buisness,IMO police shouldve have checked if it was some Mob "Feud".

[Canelo and GGG]

Specialy in 60s it wouldnt be supraiseing ,Mob was everywhere

[Anthony342]

Yeah, even still involved in boxing, as evidenced by Liston's reputed mob ties.

[Humean]

From reading about it more extensively a few years back it appeared to me that it was highly likely that he was guilty but also that the police and prosecutors case against him in court was quite incompetent and relied too heavily on the racial biases of the jury.

[Canelo and GGG]

From reading about it more extensively a few years back it appeared to me that it was highly likely that he was guilty but also that the police and prosecutors case against him in court was quite incompetent and relied too heavily on the racial biases of the jury.

O.J Simpson like case

[Humean]

O.J Simpson like case

I guess in both cases the racial prejudices of the juries were suitably inflamed to render poor judgments, in the Carter case by the prosecution and the Simpson case by the defence.

[The Old LefHook]

I guess in both cases the racial prejudices of the juries were suitably inflamed to render poor judgments, in the Carter case by the prosecution and the Simpson case by the defence.

You about nailed how I feel too.