Is Lennox Lewis the best Overall heavyweight in history?

[Poet682006]

Competition is one variable, not a final last word...Spinks was good enough to beat Holmes twice. Tucker was a skilled guy as well... and Bruno was no slouch.

You can't compare Tua to prime Tyson, Tua had no head movement, power in one hand and little to no footwork.

If you want to categorize I don't think anyone would argue (except Sonny lol) that Lewis fought the better comp... Lewis also was incredibly principled: I really respect him for not taking the Ruiz fight to fight Grant, it was typical of him not taking the easy way out.

Tyson studied Dempsey and in film you can see him even using pivots like Jack did to step around...And one thing about that style is it works well against a bigger man. Frazier used a lot of the same tactics BTW.

Tucker was actually a hell of a fighter when 100%.....He just wrecked his career on babes and blow (the '80s strikes again).

[juggernaut666]

Buster douglas was the puncher in that fight with tyson and took tysons best time and time again ..yes he used movement and boxed tyson but he also consistently bullied him during those 10 rounds and tyson was hurt numerous times in that fight....the point is if you take tysons shots and you fire back he loses heart....ruddock hurt tyson during both there fights , tucker hurt tyson , bruno hurt tyson ....ive told yiu again you again you don't have a clue about boxing ...when ever tyson came up agaisnt a proven hall of famer he lost...the best lennox would beat the best mike tyson 9 out of 10

you seem to LACK time of placement when a fight is more important...yea sure you could use TUCKER of the 90's...and PRETEND he is the SAME fighter

"Tony is a junkie," he said. "Tony knows this, and I know it. Once a junkie, always a junkie. I worry about him all the time. But I'm very happy he's been clean for a year." Cohen...his manager


Sure you can use Douglas( who Tucker defeated) and im not even using that Tyson....



Sure you can use whoever you like...but if we are using LIKE opposition then we would have to use PUNCHERS ...that common opponent would be Bruno( who was more dangerous than Douglas) that gave Lewis fits and hurt him a few times,unlike Tyson who crushed him twice.

" id rather fight Lewis once a week than Tyson once a year" F. Bruno

Sure you can use Ruddock AFTER two Tyson demolishing jobs on him...

See when you come at me with ******ity you are going to look ****** if you want to go that route,well.....o.k....

[The plunger man]

Biggs and Ruddock defeated Lewis as amateurs as well. Tysons style didnt suit those Amatuer rules. I highly doubt Lewis would have taken the Tyson fight in those early 90's years,he was not remotley ready for such a pressure fighter go watch any one of his fights prior to his 20th fight he took a long time to develope and without Steward he would not have been as effective.

It would have looked completely different than the Tyson/Ruddock fight bc Tyson would have thrown punches non stop .Had Ruddock taken a break after the Tyson fights or not fought Tyson at all ,we dont know what the Lewis /Ruddock fight would look like or how competitive it would be,the Morrison vs Ruddock fight shows this bc he took 2 years off after the Lewis fight( you dont fight two brutal Tyson fights and be the same) anyone whos taken punches before will know why,ruddock was the ONLY guy to ever go punch for punch with Tyson in his entire career. Even Holyfield stated Ruddock would have been the champion if Tyson wasnt around at that time.

When Lewis fought Morrison he was well refined under steward moreso and thus had a better showing against Morrison than Ruddock did,he also went from the 220's to the 240's in weight,which suited him better style wise under Steward.Ruddock himself was pretty much done after 1991,in a long mostly wasted career of bad management,his last hurrah was with Morrison a fight he almost won in the first round but clearly a better fighter in THAT one bc he threw punches unlike the Lewis fight.

The reason why tyson developed earlier is because he never made the olympics and was beaten by henry tillman so he turned pro at just over 18 so of course he would devolop quicker...he had no choice but to turn pro.....the lennox lewis who beat golota and rahman beats tyson 9 out of 10....... who wins out of lennox lewis vs anthony joshua ?

[juggernaut666]

The reason why tyson developed earlier is because he never made the olympics and was beaten by henry tillman so he turned pro at just over 18 so of course he would devolop quicker...he had no choice but to turn pro.....the lennox lewis who beat golota and rahman beats tyson 9 out of 10....... who wins out of lennox lewis vs anthony joshua ?

None of what you posted has ANYTHING to do with the discussion!

I would bet Joshua bc i actually study film footage and i know Lewis could be blitzed and hes never faced a bigger stronger faster fighter who goes on the inside like that.

However the Klitchko fight will tell me more bc hes only had 18 fights however i KNOW hes much better than Lewis with more potential bc he wasnt struggling witha 38 year old journyman with no k.o power in his 18th fight.Lewis was still fighting guys Joshua would blast out in one round and going the distance with them.

[The plunger man]

you seem to LACK time of placement when a fight is more important...yea sure you could use TUCKER of the 90's...and PRETEND he is the SAME fighter

"Tony is a junkie," he said. "Tony knows this, and I know it. Once a junkie, always a junkie. I worry about him all the time. But I'm very happy he's been clean for a year." Cohen...his manager


Sure you can use Douglas( who Tucker defeated) and im not even using that Tyson....



Sure you can use whoever you like...but if we are using LIKE opposition then we would have to use PUNCHERS ...that common opponent would be Bruno( who was more dangerous than Douglas) that gave Lewis fits and hurt him a few times,unlike Tyson who crushed him twice.

" id rather fight Lewis once a week than Tyson once a year" F. Bruno

Sure you can use Ruddock AFTER two Tyson demolishing jobs on him...

See when you come at me with ******ity you are going to look ****** if you want to go that route,well.....o.k....

As what lewis said i beat the best bruno at my worst....obviously you have no idea when two rival heavyweights from the same country face eachother ...theres a lot more to fight for, plus it was mid october and cold as hell...i inow because i was there lol...check the blankets in between rounds.....you seem to be making up excuses to suit your agenda lol......ruddock,tucker,holyfield ...there sparring sessions , the step aside 4 million dollars to lewis....being stripped of his title for refusing to face lewis and tyson actually admitting he would never have beaten lewis in the dressing room after he lost to lewis actually adds up to tyson not wanting any part of lewis.....now the tubbs, carl williams, james smith , thomas ( crack addict) , biggs , alfonso ratcliffs of this world are not a lennox lewis.....you saying two demolishing jobs on ruddock shows how much you know...one was a controversial stoppage by richard steele after ruddock was starting to really get to tyson and the other was a very close and competitive fight where each boxer was still trading at the end....lewis at his best beats the mike tyson at his best.....next

[juggernaut666]

As what lewis said i beat the best bruno at my worst....obviously you have no idea when two rival heavyweights from the same country face eachother ...theres a lot more to fight for, plus it was mid october and cold as hell...i inow because i was there lol...check the blankets in between rounds.....you seem to be making up excuses to suit your agenda lol......ruddock,tucker,holyfield ...there sparring sessions , the step aside 4 million dollars to lewis....being stripped of his title for refusing to face lewis and tyson actually admitting he would never have beaten lewis in the dressing room after he lost to lewis actually adds up to tyson not wanting any part of lewis.....now the tubbs, carl williams, james smith , thomas ( crack addict) , biggs , alfonso ratcliffs of this world are not a lennox lewis.....you saying two demolishing jobs on ruddock shows how much you know...one was a controversial stoppage by richard steele after ruddock was starting to really get to tyson and the other was a very close and competitive fight where each boxer was still trading at the end....lewis at his best beats the mike tyson at his best.....next

well you can write your opinions that coincide with others to fit your view,however the best Bruno was the one who fought Tyson and Brunos prime was in the late 80's.Anyone reading your off the wall propoganda will know its you having to deflate Mike Tyson...i pretty much stated facts while you went into your off the wall ramblings.

[The plunger man]

None of what you posted has ANYTHING to do with the discussion!

I would bet Joshua bc i actually study film footage and i know Lewis could be blitzed and hes never faced a bigger stronger faster fighter who goes on the inside like that.

However the Klitchko fight will tell me more bc hes only had 18 fights however i KNOW hes much better than Lewis with more potential bc he wasnt struggling witha 38 year old journyman with no k.o power in his 18th fight.Lewis was still fighting guys Joshua would blast out in one round and going the distance with them.

Of course it does have everything to do with it.....tyson in any of his contests before he got beat by douglas never faced any fighter who was anywhere near as good as lewis...who was as good as lewis tell me ? Lol.....tyson when he faced up to a fighter who could negate his style and smother he was lost...we saw that with bonecrusher, mitch green , james tillis, tucker and he was frustrated and none of them could carry lewis jockstrap.....as for joshua i am a big fan of his but to think at this stage of his career he beats the lennox lewis who blitzed golota...your deluded ,
When you add all the tangibles about who avoided who , who got stripped for refusing to fight . Who had the better victories against common opponents ? How there sparring went down in the catskills and how easy lewis handled him when they did fight ..adds up to lewis winning if they both boxed in there primes...fact

[juggernaut666]

Of course it does have everything to do with it.....tyson in any of his contests before he got beat by douglas never faced any fighter who was anywhere near as good as lewis...who was as good as lewis tell me ? Lol.....tyson when he faced up to a fighter who could negate his style and smother he was lost...we saw that with bonecrusher, mitch green , james tillis, tucker and he was frustrated and none of them could carry lewis jockstrap.....as for joshua i am a big fan of his but to think at this stage of his career he beats the lennox lewis who blitzed golota...your deluded ,
When you add all the tangibles about who avoided who , who got stripped for refusing to fight . Who had the better victories against common opponents ? How there sparring went down in the catskills and how easy lewis handled him when they did fight ..adds up to lewis winning if they both boxed in there primes...fact

The fact is even 38 year old Holmes was BETTER than Lewis was prior to his 21st fight,so you stop the B.s ANYONe can watch his fights and TRY and dispute that...go ahead watch his 18th/19th fight.......even Tubbs OUT of his prime took Bowe the distance in the 90's etc...etc....Tyson fought those guys at their best and had he fought lewis between 1990/1933 he would have torn him up.In his ACTUAL prime he crushes Lewis at least 4 out of 5 times.


I already gave you Brunos own words of him describing Tyson was harder to fight than Lewis...Tyson didnt even have skills developed at 15 in those sparring sessions yet knocked Lewis out of the ring....get your head together Plunger your getting knocked silly here!Even Holmes at 42 beat Mercer more convincinley than Lewis did...

[The plunger man]

well you can write your opinions that coincide with others to fit your view,however the best Bruno was the one who fought Tyson and Brunos prime was in the late 80's.Anyone reading your off the wall propoganda will know its you having to deflate Mike Tyson...i pretty much stated facts while you went into your off the wall ramblings.

Everything you say and write is not based by facts....tyson avoided lewis in 1996 and paid lewis 4 million ...so he could fsce bruce seldon and bare in mind at that time he won all his fights on his comeback in the first couple of rounds and when he faced holyfield ...holyfield was a 25-1 shot to beat tyson...the hype was in.....but guess what it wasnt becauese tyson was beyond his prime ...it was holyfield taking everything tyson landed and responding with more and thats how douglas beat him....tyson was the typical bully and you stand up to him and take his best he loses heart.....you need some knowledge juggers

[juggernaut666]

Everything you say and write is not based by facts....tyson avoided lewis in 1996 and paid lewis 4 million ...so he could fsce bruce seldon and bare in mind at that time he won all his fights on his comeback in the first couple of rounds and when he faced holyfield ...holyfield was a 25-1 shot to beat tyson...the hype was in.....but guess what it wasnt becauese tyson was beyond his prime ...it was holyfield taking everything tyson landed and responding with more and thats how douglas beat him....tyson was the typical bully and you stand up to him and take his best he loses heart.....you need some knowledge juggers

I didnt say anything about 1996...again Plunger stop being a fangirl.