What makes Ray Robinson better than Ray Leonard?

[FinitoxDinamita]

Let's hear it...

[New England]

longevity is the big one. leonard had a very short career for a bonafide all time great. robinson had 200 fights. won the MW title five times after one of the greatest runs ever as a WW. fought jake lamotta, a middleweight, six times as a WW, only lost once. victory over an all time great, prime WW named kid gavilan.

he also hit harder than leonard. robinson was one of the hardest punchers ever. had a straight up iron jaw. stopped once in 200 fights, via heat exhaustion in a 100 degree arena, up on the cards in the 13th, and against he LHW champion of the world. they had to replace the ref in the 10th after he collapsed. legend has it that it was 104 degrees in the arena.

great combination puncher, maybe the best ever. great jab. great footwork. he wasn't the toughest fighter in the world to hit, but he had a great chin and could change gears and box if he had to. most complete fighter ever. oft cited as having the best resume by a stretch.

so yeah. there's all of that. just look at the guy's record knowing that he sometimes fought twice a month.

leonard has a great resume himself, but it's top heavy for a bonafide top 20 all time great boxer. leonard had a short career cut off by an injury to his eye. he also made a lot of money early in his career and didn't need to keep boxing, so he stopped for a while.

[Tom Cruise]

Sammy Angott (3-0)
Fritzie Zivic (2-0)
Marty Servo (2-0)
Jake Lamotta (5-1)
Henry Armstrong (1-0)
Tommy Bell (2-0)
Jose Basora (1-1-0)
Artie Levine (1-0)
Kid Gavilan (2-0)
Bobo Olson (4-0)
Holly Mims (1-0)
Randy Turpin (1-1)
Rocky Graziano (1-0)
Joey Maxim (0-1) - At LHW, vs LHW champ, winning on points before he was stopped due to heat prostration.
Rocky Castellani (1-0)
Gene Fullmer (1-1-2)
Carmen Basilio (1-1)

From there he moves into shot territory. Losing to the top guys and beating the lesser ones.

Bolded are IBHoF inductees.

Pretty astonishing resume, and thats just the guys i know and have heard about. Some of them are contender types, but there are loads more on his resume which have good looking records but who i havent bothered to look into. Bear in mind that the majority of those are fighters in or very close to their primes.

[AddiX]

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Not sure why this thread is in here but good answers.

[lightsout_finit]

Let's hear it...

Because Robinson would have beaten him up....
(prime4prime)

[Monaco Slim]

People were just tougher and fitter back then

[DARKSEID]

It's close. Their resumes are unbelievable.

One has a winning record over lamotta, armstrong, gavilan, graziano, angott

The other has wins over Roberto Duran, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Wilfred Benitez

****ing incredible resumes.

[Dynamite76]

Robinson's power was stronger, and I honestly feel if Montreal Duran was in there with him, he would suffer a strong loss. He was also mentally stronger than Leonard.

[Derranged]

Leonard is a Uncle Tom. He stayed avoiding dem whiteboys...

[The Old LefHook]

He was deeper. Leonard relied on his talent more than depth of technique, similar to Ali. He was great at it. They will both get hit plenty against each other. Robinson will slow Leonard's legs by the middle rounds. He threw a lot more body shots than Hearns did. The harder punches would begin to tell.