The Myth Of Mike Tyson

[StarshipTrooper]

He aint Jesus.

Could have fooled me by the way some of you KooAid drinkers talk Been clubbing with Jim Jones lately?

Poet

[The Iron Man]

Tyson can not be considered the best ever.

He was fast and strong, a great combination puncher and a fantastic short-distance puncher.
He had fast side-to-side movement with both his head and feet, he possessed incredible slickness for a heavyweight in his prime.

In fact, his overall vision and concentration in his prime can arguably be considered as one of the best in the heaveweight history.
This is because he slipped punches in bunches on the inside, moving forward and always in position to counter. Which he nearly always did.

But...

He needed to be the baddest to prevail. He struggled with tough fighters who refused to back down.
He wasn't the hardest fighter in the world to frustrate.

Tyson was also open for uppercuts, a punch that the very best fighters most definiately knows how to use (Lewis, Foreman, Holmes.. Ali didn't really use it so much).

And you just cannot argue the fact that Tyson was a small heavy.
No matter what people say, he would always have struggled with the Lewis' of the world.

He proved that he could not rise when he had fallen, and thus in my eyes failed to do the thing that defines great people.
I'm not talking about a knockdown, I'm talking about set-backs in life.

Tyson would of course be a serious threat to every living being in a fantasy match-up, but that does not change the fact that he failed to carve himself a place in the hall of greatness.

Someone compared him with Hopkins, saying that it wasn't Tyson's fault that he had no great opponents in his prime.
Well, Hopkins showed consistency and character over the course of a long career. Tyson failed to do so, thus making Hopkins' career more impressive in my eyes.

Talent-wise, Tyson ranks higher than his actual accomplishments.

And to those who thinks about saying anything about my avatar and nickname; **** off!

True and well put. Although u dont think being open to uppercuts would be a reason not to be great, so was foreman and he is considerd a great by basically everyone.

[Mike Tyson77]

Could have fooled me by the way some of you KooAid drinkers talk Been clubbing with Jim Jones lately?

Poet

Some of "you"? Sonny, Ive looked over the great HW's for 3 years now. From Johnson to now. And I know who the greatest is.

[THE REED]

Just listing the names of Ali's opponents doesn't make Ali's opponents great. The fighters were in better condition in the 80's and 90's, their training regiments were different, diets were different, etc. Even the rules of the ring were slightly different. While I'm not saying that Tyson faced better competition than Ali, perhaps the truth is that Ali was vastly over-hyped and he faced average journeymen who gave him a good run. This is very similar to your Louis thread and, while we know you hate Tyson, this thread will probably see little responses other than my own.

Furthermore, watch Ali's matches against some of the opponents he had trouble with (Cooper, Jones, Folley, even that German guy whose name I can't remember, Frazier, etc.), and honestly say that Tyson couldn't do what those guys did...only better. Dumbass.

this dude couldnt of been more wrong

[StarshipTrooper]

Some of "you"? Sonny, Ive looked over the great HW's for 3 years now. From Johnson to now. And I know who the greatest is.

Apparently not as you're a clueless tool

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

this dude couldnt of been more wrong

You gotta remember Brass******* is another Ali hater (like LRR).

Poet

[Mike Tyson77]

Apparently not as you're a clueless tool

Poet

Youre a ****ing tool who hates any fighter not from the 20's.

[tyson]

True and well put. Although u dont think being open to uppercuts would be a reason not to be great, so was foreman and he is considerd a great by basically everyone.

That was a part of my analysis of Tyson the boxer.

A few paragraphs later I explain why I don't consider him as one of the greatest.


He proved that he could not rise when he had fallen, and thus in my eyes failed to do the thing that defines great people.
I'm not talking about a knockdown, I'm talking about set-backs in life.

Tyson would of course be a serious threat to every living being in a fantasy match-up, but that does not change the fact that he failed to carve himself a place in the hall of greatness.

Someone compared him with Hopkins, saying that it wasn't Tyson's fault that he had no great opponents in his prime.
Well, Hopkins showed consistency and character over the course of a long career. Tyson failed to do so, thus making Hopkins' career more impressive in my eyes.

Talent-wise, Tyson ranks higher than his actual accomplishments.

This part ^^.

[The Surgeon]

I Aint read any of the other posts here (short on time) but from the title i'll say the Myth is of Mike Tyson is that he was an overrated fighter with no heart, which is how many view him these days. Mike was always destined to have a short Prime - Short fighters tend too for some reason and with his background and mentality but he cramed in some seriously exciting nights!
He had a solid chin, and a Fighters heart to go with his Wicked power, speed, stamina and skills despite what u may think. His stamina - (and all of this is for a prime tyson of course) was 1st class, always pressing the action from 1st till last bell, throwing hutfull punches in combinations, see his distance fights - the man had stamina! Infact i recall commentators saying Tyson was 1 of the few moderen fighters who would Prefer the old 15rd fights!
He had heart too man, He charged in at these big guys bombing, he once said it was scary but u just gotta plant ur feet, bite down on ur gumshield and swing for the fences! Remember when Frank Bruno Nailed him with the Left hook in fight 1? Mike was hurt (by a Huge puncher who landed perfect!) did he cower or try to bail out? No. He threw his own thunder right back! Against Buster he was gettin the **** kicked out of him but yet he still found it in him to pull that Uppercut out the bag, even tho Buster got up u see the point. Same with Botha. And when Buster KO'd Tyson, he was out but Instinctivly tryed to get to his feet. The wars with Razor Ruddock further prove this. He had heart he just lost his stomach and passion for the fight game somewhere along the line, probably in jail. He got me and many MANY others into this sport so boxing owes him IMO!
There will never be another Mike Tyson

[StarshipTrooper]

I Aint read any of the other posts here (short on time) but from the title i'll say the Myth is of Mike Tyson is that he was an overrated fighter with no heart, which is how many view him these days. Mike was always destined to have a short Prime - Short fighters tend too for some reason and with his background and mentality but he cramed in some seriously exciting nights!
He had a solid chin, and a Fighters heart to go with his Wicked power, speed, stamina and skills despite what u may think. His stamina - (and all of this is for a prime tyson of course) was 1st class, always pressing the action from 1st till last bell, throwing hutfull punches in combinations, see his distance fights - the man had stamina! Infact i recall commentators saying Tyson was 1 of the few moderen fighters who would Prefer the old 15rd fights!
He had heart too man, He charged in at these big guys bombing, he once said it was scary but u just gotta plant ur feet, bite down on ur gumshield and swing for the fences! Remember when Frank Bruno Nailed him with the Left hook in fight 1? Mike was hurt (by a Huge puncher who landed perfect!) did he cower or try to bail out? No. He threw his own thunder right back! Against Buster he was gettin the **** kicked out of him but yet he still found it in him to pull that Uppercut out the bag, even tho Buster got up u see the point. Same with Botha. And when Buster KO'd Tyson, he was out but Instinctivly tryed to get to his feet. The wars with Razor Ruddock further prove this. He had heart he just lost his stomach and passion for the fight game somewhere along the line, probably in jail. He got me and many MANY others into this sport so boxing owes him IMO!
There will never be another Mike Tyson

You need to rewatch his fights that went the distance: In each one you'll see a noticable decline in his punch output. That's the sign of a fighter gassing out NOT a sign of his superior stamina.

Poet