The Myth Of Mike Tyson

[slicksouthpaw16]

And those guys never went 20 rounds. So by your logic Sam McVea would beat them all.

What does that have to do with Tyson only fighting fast paced for 3 rounds? Those guys fought for the full 15 rounds and not only did they didn't get tired, but they also didn't lose confidence either. There have been fighters that fought peak Tyson back and had success. Smith, Tucker, Green, Ruddock ect all went the distance with Tyson because they took him into deep waters. Tyson has never scored a stoppage in the late rounds and the fighter that he stopped in the mid rounds was the less than average Tyrell Biggs, who was never a threat to heavyweight division and became a tomato/journeyman after that fight.

[LondonRingRules]

Tyson has never scored a stoppage in the late rounds and the fighter that he stopped in the mid rounds was the less than average Tyrell Biggs, who was never a threat to heavyweight division and became a tomato/journeyman after that fight

** Hah, you never a threat to the facts, that's for sure.

20 yr old Tyson knocked down a prime Ribalta repeatedly thru the fight and got the 10th rd stoppage. The only fighters who took Tyson the distance were big, strong, experienced contender/champ types who brought out spoiler/survival tactics. Smith should have been DQed for not fighting, his example being the most grevious.

Easy to disparage a fighter after a devastating loss when he crosses over to the dark side, but Biggs the huge, mature, talented superheavy gold medalist fasttracked to a title challenge with wins over Tillis, Snipes, and Bey. The guy did his job, beating Lewis and forcing him to delay his pro debut by 4 yrs. Just complete nonsense to think the older Lewis and Holy ever thought they could challenge him back then when they stayed well away from him.

Biggs got his taste of money and became a crackhaid and parttime fighter after Tyson. You could say that about a lot of highly thought of fighters and booze after a big win or loss.

Facts are that Tyson not only won almost every contested round he was in until King, but made short work of them and became the most exciting fighter in history since Dempsey. Forget heavies, the only fighter in history who had such a meteoric rise and rule of his division is Wilfredo Gomez.

You chaps can holler about bums and tomato cans all you wish, the last refuge of know-nothing scoundrels, but Tyson made the HOF by age 22 with his original team guiding him. Everything else just a Greek tragedy with a Shakesphere's cast of human sociopaths and leeches sucking a mentally ill victim dry as they propped him up in the ring. They actually had to have a small army of minders keep him out of trouble and then bundle him up to the ring his last days when he was likely to go missing for days at a time near the fight. Prozac and the rest of those drugs made him somewhat manageable, but are no substitute for good mental health and stability, something any good fighter needs to compete.

Mike's newest challenge will be to live to see his induction into the HOF in a couple of years. Of course promoters and leeches blowing million$ of smoke up his shorts with promises like the Holy 3 rematch, so who knows what happens next in the life of the greatest heavy ever. Not my description, but a consensus back in his day in a sport that traditionally doesn't embrace champions until well after their best.

[slicksouthpaw16]

** Hah, you never a threat to the facts, that's for sure.

20 yr old Tyson knocked down a prime Ribalta repeatedly thru the fight and got the 10th rd stoppage. The only fighters who took Tyson the distance were big, strong, experienced contender/champ types who brought out spoiler/survival tactics. Smith should have been DQed for not fighting, his example being the most grevious.

Ribablta who? That guy was never a threat to the heavyweight division and was less than average, nor was he fighting Tyson back gamely. Every time that Jose stepped up in class, he was always knocked out or loss in convincing fashion. How can this be any significance? You are clearly making excuses. That guy never had a prime at all nor was ever champion nor at the top of the division Tyson has yet to stop a top fighter in the later rounds. Great champions need to prove their greatness and dominance against elite top fighters that are in their prime. Tyson has avoided the real competition like Witherspoon, Mercer, Tua, Bowe, Morrison ect. I left Rabalita out of the ''Tyson not scoring a late stoppage ''column'' because he was a journeyman. Tyrell Biggs was no world beater himself, but at least he was unbeaten. Using Rabalita as an example of Tyson scoring a late stoppage against a top fighter is completely irreverent.

and No, the guys that took Tyson the distance was simply tough and not intimidated by him, they fought him back. Ruddock was knocked out by Morrison and Lewis in convincing fashion. Tyson went the distance with him and we all know that the first stoppage with premature, egged on by Don King.

Easy to disparage a fighter after a devastating loss when he crosses over to the dark side, but Biggs the huge, mature, talented superheavy gold medalist fasttracked to a title challenge with wins over Tillis, Snipes, and Bey. The guy did his job, beating Lewis and forcing him to delay his pro debut by 4 yrs. Just complete nonsense to think the older Lewis and Holy ever thought they could challenge him back then when they stayed well away from him.
Biggs got his taste of money and became a crackhaid and parttime fighter after Tyson. You could say that about a lot of highly thought of fighters and booze after a big win or loss.

Again, Biggs was nothing special and beating him did not make Tyson great. He was a less than average fighter that had Olympic success. Biggs was never a champion nor was he very good, he mainly had his name from beating Tyson in the Olympic trials. Also, funny how Biggs immediately commits to doing crack after the loss to Tyson, its just another excuse. The facts are here, Biggs has never beaten a top 10 fighter before or after Tyson.

Also, did you just say that Lewis and Holyfield avoided Tyson or is that a typo? At least i hope it is.

Facts are that Tyson not only won almost every contested round he was in until King, but made short work of them and became the most exciting fighter in history since Dempsey. Forget heavies, the only fighter in history who had such a meteoric rise and rule of his division is Wilfredo Gomez.

He won those rounds against who? Lesser opponents that had no chance? I remember quick Tillis taking Tyson into deep waters and actually making it a close fight. Some observers made a case that Tillis won and Tyson admitted that he wanted to quit because of the body shots that he was taking. although ok when in shape, Tillis was never a world beater himself, had beaten by Holmes a few years before and was also stopped 3 times by that point. Witherspoon stopped him in one round and Greg Page stopped him as well.

I am waiting for the number one Tyson fan excuse. Tyson was green by that point right? This is the peak Tyson that was with Kevin Rooney and who everyone is picking over Ali..lol please.

You chaps can holler about bums and tomato cans all you wish, the last refuge of know-nothing scoundrels, but Tyson made the HOF by age 22 with his original team guiding him. Everything else just a Greek tragedy with a Shakesphere's cast of human sociopaths and leeches sucking a mentally ill victim dry as they propped him up in the ring. They actually had to have a small army of minders keep him out of trouble and then bundle him up to the ring his last days when he was likely to go missing for days at a time near the fight. Prozac and the rest of those drugs made him somewhat manageable, but are no substitute for good mental health and stability, something any good fighter needs to compete.

Tyson made the hall of fame because he was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time and thats a great accomplishment. When you think about it, who did he beat during that rein? Berbick fought a close fight with Ali when Ali was far past his prime. Berbick also lost to Larry Holmes by that point as well and was nothing but a peper champion. If Holyfiled, Lewis, Bowe or Mercer was any of the top champions, then Tyson wouldn't have became champion. He had a wonderful management team and despite them avoiding the real elite fighters, they did a good job. Tyson matching well against any of the elites from back then is something that i don't see happening. Bowe, Holyifeld, Lewis, Mercer, ect would have out lasted Tyson and beat him in my opinion. These were all tough good champions that proved their selves by fighting all of the elite fighters and not being matched carefully. They would have exposed Tyson for his lack of ability of being in a tough fight.

Mike's newest challenge will be to live to see his induction into the HOF in a couple of years. Of course promoters and leeches blowing million$ of smoke up his shorts with promises like the Holy 3 rematch, so who knows what happens next in the life of the greatest heavy ever. Not my description, but a consensus back in his day in a sport that traditionally doesn't embrace champions until well after their best.

Like i said earlier, good and exciting fighter in his prime but lets not get carried away. When you look past the hype and press, Tyson was a regular champion.

Also, Tyson is never beating Holyifeld . Push Tyson back and he will simply fall apart. He looks better against fighters that are trying to box with him, not a tougher and more skilled fighter pushing him back. Douglas, Holyfield, and Lennox all exposed this.

[Mike Tyson77]

What does that have to do with Tyson only fighting fast paced for 3 rounds? Those guys fought for the full 15 rounds and not only did they didn't get tired, but they also didn't lose confidence either. There have been fighters that fought peak Tyson back and had success. Smith, Tucker, Green, Ruddock ect all went the distance with Tyson because they took him into deep waters. Tyson has never scored a stoppage in the late rounds and the fighter that he stopped in the mid rounds was the less than average Tyrell Biggs, who was never a threat to heavyweight division and became a tomato/journeyman after that fight.

And Tyson still won those fights.

And Tyson has scored a 10th round TKO.

[slicksouthpaw16]

And Tyson still won those fights.

And Tyson has scored a 10th round TKO.

Neither of those guys were top elites and they gave him that much trouble. What do you think a Riddock Bowe, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Tim Witherspoon, peak Holyifeld, peak Lewis ect would have done?

Also, i already stated that Tyson has scored late stoppage against the journeyman Rabalta.

[LondonRingRules]

Ribablta who? That guy was never a threat to the heavyweight division and was less than average, nor was he fighting Tyson back gamely.

** Maybe you never saw the fight, but most definitely you've been exposed.

Ribalta hung tough and landed a lot more on Tyson than did Holmes and Micheal Spinks just like he hung tough while losing a split to Bonecrusher and a majority D to Witherspoon. Also has a first rd KO of Leon Spinks, not that it means much except that Leon beat the turkey stuffing out of Ali. I'd pick this form of Ribalta over 50% of Ali's prime title opponents like Brian London, declared dead on the gurney Williams, and slipped disc Patterson for example. Ribalta beats over 60% of Holmes' career title defenses, like Scott, Xanon, ect which ain't bad for a guy who was never a threat like fearsome Brian London, LOL.

Clearly all one has to do is mention the name of Tyson and they come flying out of the woodwork and swarm the place. Fairplay, Tyson was propped up heavily by his knownothing fanboys, and you just the knownothing hate boy reaction to that.

At the end of the day, Tyson easily makes the HOF in spite of his freak show comeback from prison and his journeyman's record since signing with King. Pretty good for 5 yrs worth of work.

[slicksouthpaw16]

** Maybe you never saw the fight, but most definitely you've been exposed.

Ribalta hung tough and landed a lot more on Tyson than did Holmes and Micheal Spinks just like he hung tough while losing a split to Bonecrusher and a majority D to Witherspoon. Also has a first rd KO of Leon Spinks, not that it means much except that Leon beat the turkey stuffing out of Ali. I'd pick this form of Ribalta over 50% of Ali's prime title opponents like Brian London, declared dead on the gurney Williams, and slipped disc Patterson for example. Ribalta beats over 60% of Holmes' career title defenses, like Scott, Xanon, ect which ain't bad for a guy who was never a threat like fearsome Brian London, LOL.

Clearly all one has to do is mention the name of Tyson and they come flying out of the woodwork and swarm the place. Fairplay, Tyson was propped up heavily by his knownothing fanboys, and you just the knownothing hate boy reaction to that.

At the end of the day, Tyson easily makes the HOF in spite of his freak show comeback from prison and his journeyman's record since signing with King. Pretty good for 5 yrs worth of work.

Spinks was past his prime and had become a journeyman by that point. Another post where you show your lack of ability to analyze, lack of ability to judge and get key points. You just seem like a Tyson fan that won't except the truth and i just can't waste my time.

Yeah Jose Rabilita was some world beater. Take a look at how impressive his record was, despite him losing to all of the decent names and fringe contenders.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=557&cat=boxer

[butterfly1964]

slicksouthpaw16 has now become comic relief!

[StarshipTrooper]

Spinks was past his prime and had become a journeyman by that point. Another post where you show your lack of ability to analyze, lack of ability to judge and get key points. You just seem like a Tyson fan that won't except the truth and i just can't waste my time.

Yeah Jose Rabilita was some world beater. Take a look at how impressive his record was, despite him losing to all of the decent names and fringe contenders.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=557&cat=boxer

Got to take my hat off to you!

Poet

[Mike Tyson77]

** Maybe you never saw the fight, but most definitely you've been exposed.

Ribalta hung tough and landed a lot more on Tyson than did Holmes and Micheal Spinks just like he hung tough while losing a split to Bonecrusher and a majority D to Witherspoon. Also has a first rd KO of Leon Spinks, not that it means much except that Leon beat the turkey stuffing out of Ali. I'd pick this form of Ribalta over 50% of Ali's prime title opponents like Brian London, declared dead on the gurney Williams, and slipped disc Patterson for example. Ribalta beats over 60% of Holmes' career title defenses, like Scott, Xanon, ect which ain't bad for a guy who was never a threat like fearsome Brian London, LOL.

Clearly all one has to do is mention the name of Tyson and they come flying out of the woodwork and swarm the place. Fairplay, Tyson was propped up heavily by his knownothing fanboys, and you just the knownothing hate boy reaction to that.

At the end of the day, Tyson easily makes the HOF in spite of his freak show comeback from prison and his journeyman's record since signing with King. Pretty good for 5 yrs worth of work.

That's damn right my man!